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Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by moonchrome on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:04AM (#34411917)
> extremely programmable computational work: 99.99999+% of newborns have 2 hands, 2 legs, and 1 head, and they all started development from a single cell [1].

Just on the risks of early miscarriage from wrong number of chromosomes I'd say your numbers are way off.

> Miscarriage is the most common complication of early pregnancy.[21] Among women who know they are pregnant, the miscarriage rate is roughly 10% to 20%, while rates among all fertilisation is around 30% to 50%.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscarriage

So 30-50% failure rate.

Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by ly3xqhl8g9 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:31AM (#34412140)
You are nitpicking, nevertheless, newborn, noun, a baby that was born recently [1], hence the 99.99999+% figure is applied for the full term pregnancies, once the fetus is decoupled from the mother and has been born as a, well, newborn.

[1] https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/newborn#...

Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by moonchrome on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:49AM (#34412307)
I'm not nitpicking - I'm saying the reason most babies are born with 2 legs hands and a head is because genetic defects die off before birth (plus the screening we have for early termination nowadays) - and the failure rate starting from a single cell is huge.
Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by ly3xqhl8g9 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:11AM (#34412542)
The genetic defects failure rate is irrelevant, TSMC also throws away bad batches [1], mistakes happen, life is complex and multifaceted, etc. The issue is if biology is a deterministic computational platform, and the argument I was making, using the hyperbolic figure of 99.99999%, I will grant you this, is that not only biology is a deterministic computational platform, but it is better than the one we can achieve currently in our CPUs: no CPU is able to regenerate a melt down core, axolotls can grow back a limb as if it was never gone.

[1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/13905/tsmc-chip-yields-hit-by...

Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by ly3xqhl8g9 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:39AM (#34412854)
"But at that point your argument is almost tautological"

Yes, that is the point: biodevelopment is deterministic and computational. Watch the Michael Levin video linked above: they cut the head of a planarian worm, it grows back a head; they cut the tail, it grows back a tail; they cut the tail and the head and change the bioelectric gradients, it grows back two heads or two tails.

Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by moonchrome on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:24AM (#34412691)
But at that point your argument is almost tautological - all children born alive are fit to survive ? Being born with such huge asymmetry (missing limbs) and still surviving is low probably (impossible without a head).

I'd say a more convincing argument for deterministic machinery is identical twins - I don't know how much variation there is to put in numbers.

Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by ly3xqhl8g9 on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @09:48AM (#34412995)
"But at that point your argument is almost tautological"

Yes, that is the point: biodevelopment is deterministic and computational. Watch the Michael Levin video linked above: they cut the head of a planarian worm, it grows back a head; they cut the tail, it grows back a tail; they cut the tail and the head and change the bioelectric gradients, it grows back two heads or two tails.

Re:Major standard library changes in Go 1.20 by testtesttesst on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @08:33AM (#34412159)
Don't forget the 0.5% infant mortality rate

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/infant-health.htm

Number of infant deaths: 19,582

Deaths per 100,000 live births: 541.9

Leading causes of infant deaths:

– Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities

– Disorders related to short gestation and low birthweight: not elsewhere classified

– Sudden infant death syndrome