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Re:Programmer Salaries in the Age of LLMs by testtesttesst on Monday January 16, 2023 @10:50PM (#34408920)
Then those projects will fail and they won't do that anymore. Or they'll succeed and engineers will have to find harder problems to solve.

If a new grad + LLM can do task X about as well as an experienced engineer can, then the experienced engineer will have to find other harder problems to solve. Personally I think labor efficiency is good; why waste your labor on easy/solved problems?

Re:Programmer Salaries in the Age of LLMs by foogazi on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @01:12AM (#34409635)
> then the experienced engineer will have to find other harder problems to solve.

The experienced engineer also gets an LLM though

Re:Programmer Salaries in the Age of LLMs by testtesttesst on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @01:48AM (#34409780)
> The experienced engineer also gets an LLM though

Say experienced engineer Edna was working on a project and the new grad Nelson replaced her because he was cheaper and about as good if both have LLMs, i.e.,

Edna + LLM ≈ Nelson + LLM

even though

Edna >> Nelson.

So Edna needs to find a project to work on where LLMs don't equalize her arbitrage, i.e.,

Edna + LLM >> Nelson + LLM

and Nelson needs one where

Nelson + LLM >> LLM.

Re:Programmer Salaries in the Age of LLMs by noobermin on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @02:39AM (#34410053)
My contention is "how do you determine if someone was 'as good'?" Very likely the people in the position to make a decision will not be qualified enough to even make that decision. IF (and really only if) such a determination is possible, then sure, I agree, find harder problems etc, but I assert that people will not make that determination (which is close to impossible to make) well, if at all because that wasn't the point in the first place.
Re:Programmer Salaries in the Age of LLMs by testtesttesst on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @04:03AM (#34410510)
Project succeeds = good.

Project fails = bad.

If a bunch of projects given to NG + LLM fail, the company will say at some point "this is no good, let's not do that anymore". If they mostly succeed, they'll do it more.

From a middle manager's perspective, where they're funding 10-20 projects, this kind of measurement is feasible and carries at least some signal. So I don't agree it's difficult to measure.