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Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by snarf21 on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:11PM (#34406802)
WoT was hot garbage from the jump and not even Rosamund Pike could save it. GoT was awesome and did respect the source material. It is just that GRRM hasn't written in 20 years that caused major issues. The writing that he actually did was good. His problem was that he wove too many threads and people started getting bored and wondering if the story in the show would ever end. So they rushed the ending (so it could end) and made some questionable choices. However, it isn't like there were any good options for how to wrap it up.

Epic fantasy is hard. Look at the middle 6 WoT books, almost nothing of relevance happens in 4000 pages. When GoT was signed I'm sure GRRM promised them that the next books were already "done" and ready for release but as is typical, 12 years later they had nothing. Honestly, they should have diverged from the source after season 4 and create a new story that could be concluded satisfactorily.

Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by SamoyedFurFluff on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:15PM (#34406838)
> Epic fantasy is hard. Look at the middle 6 WoT books, almost nothing of relevance happens in 4000 pages

Reading this makes me kind of sad because the industry right now wouldn’t support that. That author would get pushed right out, epub-only releases, less marketing, etc. I wonder if we’ll ever have a long epic like this again.

Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by fbdab103 on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:41PM (#34407104)
Do those deserve to exist? Even the most die hard WoT fan would concede that several books could have been cut down significantly, if not entirely. Authors are not getting paid by the word anymore, and they should respect the reader's time.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by _carbyau_ on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @12:23AM (#34409424)
When WoT was into book 3 or 4 or so my friend would hang for every release. I didn't see it as worth my time until it finished coherently. Now I just don't see it as worth my time.

There is so much content out there that I don't see any particular thing as a "must experience" anymore.

Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by NotACop182 on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:21PM (#34406914)
Brandon Sanderson known for WOT, mistborn, storm archives has positioned himself to be in sole control of the adaption of his books. Which is great if he flops he will set an example even authors can’t be trust with their own material.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by topspin on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:38PM (#34407075)
I got about 50% of the way through the books and lost interest. That's not usual for me.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by mixmastamyk on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:34PM (#34407044)
GOT wasn't just rushed, it did a full 180 on several main characters in the span of a couple of episodes.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by fbdab103 on Monday January 16, 2023 @06:43PM (#34407113)
>...people started getting bored and wondering if the story in the show would ever end. So they rushed the ending (so it could end)

HBO told the producers to take as long as they needed. I believe they were eager to jump to Star Wars and rushed to conclude the series.

Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by AtlasBarfed on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @03:49AM (#34410424)
.. and D&D got dropped from Star Wars. At least we have that.

See, at least the prequel trilogy of star wars had good ideas. It was just terribly executed.

The finishing episodes of GoT don't even have good ideas, in addition to being awfully written, lacking continuity, and poorly acted.

One of my favorite things was fans of the book series pointing out how Tyrion went from being the poignant observer of the universe through GRRM's eyes to simply being a sideshow dwarf that constantly said "my cock" and little else as soon as D&D ran out of book material for him. The "head vampire" trope for the NK basically meant I didn't watch the final episodes.

And Rogue One wasn't really that good, it was just "Battle Beyond The Stars", itself a cheap cash-in on the Star Wars craze, dusted off for Star Wars with some bad kung-fu movie tropes thrown in.

Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by hirundo on Monday January 16, 2023 @08:13PM (#34407928)
I'm on book 7, thanks for the spoiler. Should I stop now? Skip the next five books?
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by govg on Monday January 16, 2023 @09:10PM (#34408334)
I wouldn't ask you to skip any of the books. It's true that nothing (in the grander story) moves in the middle 5 or so books, but there is a lot of fun events and character interactions that do feel like it is worth it. The later few books, especially the ones by Sanderson are definitely a good payoff for the investment in the middle few.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by kadoban on Monday January 16, 2023 @09:21PM (#34408410)
It's not as bad at all when you're reading once the books are all out anyway. They're not bad, just not as good as some of the others.

The real pain was people reading them when it came out, so they'd wait 2 years or whatever for the next book and then it'd come out and the plotline they happened to resonate with didn't get very far. Or it progressed some but didn't particularly end on a high-note.

Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by flippinburgers on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @10:14AM (#34413351)
In a painful sort of way slogging through those books in the middle makes the later books even more enjoyable I think.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by cloverich on Tuesday January 17, 2023 @11:19PM (#34423388)
I agree epic fantasy is hard but in GoT case most of the hard work was already done. Other than close off the less interesting / dragging stories (check) they didn't do anything well, and deviated from the best parts of the story, characters. Perhaps they had bad writers but it really just reeks of design by committee.
Re:Netflix Has Created a Self-Fulfilling Cancelation Loop wi... by asdajksah2123 on Wednesday January 18, 2023 @07:39AM (#34425978)
GRRM left the story in a mess. There is no easy way to reconcile it, which is a huge part of the reason why he has struggled for 2 decades to move it forward.

The problem is that if you are at a point where even GRRM cannot move his own story forward, it's unlikely someone else will do a very good job.

And that's basically what happened. Even if the writers are the most top notch, they aren't GRRM, otherwise they would have their own fantasy series out under their own names, as opposed to writing for TV shows.