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Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by dsq on Sunday January 15, 2023 @06:47AM (#34388712)
It is a physical impossibility to have one’s cake and eat it too. The only energy source that can provide green energy reliably going forward is nuclear, but the Greens have always been against it.

Wind and solar don’t work in Central Europe.

Whats left, now that the wolf is at the door, if you want the lights on and heat for the family?

Dirty coal.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by Guthur on Sunday January 15, 2023 @07:02AM (#34388782)
No one at the top wants stable and reliable.

It's so much easier to profit and seize control during periods of volatility.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by leeroyjenkins11 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @08:17AM (#34389167)
Oh, I'm sure they salivate at the thought of smart grids.
Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by durnygbur on Sunday January 15, 2023 @08:27AM (#34389232)
> smart grids.

Yes they bring an instant and infinite stream of EU and government funds.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by tete on Sunday January 15, 2023 @08:22AM (#34389205)
> The only energy source that can provide green energy reliably going forward is nuclear

This simply isn't backed by real life experience. A not too small factor about Germany producing more power is that France for years now always has problems producing enough energy, because they have to put down their nuclear plants for various reasons. In these situations nuclear power plants typically still require energy.

France put all its eggs into nuclear, like pretty much no other country, and doesn't produce enough energy to even cover its own energy demands. And not just now, but the topic goes through the media at least once a year. Nobody denies that, it's just a fact.

Reality just isn't that simple.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by peoplefromibiza on Sunday January 15, 2023 @08:26AM (#34389225)
AFAIK France produces 80% of their energy with nuclear plants and the rest is provided mostly by renewables.

France is one of the biggest exporters of electricity in the World and that's where most of the non-nuclear and non-renewable production goes.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by tete on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:12AM (#34389512)
France is a net importer. I am not sure what exactly you mean by "France is one of the biggest exporters" though.

Here a graph that shows "total energy used in the country minus its production of energy", which shows that France that mostly produces nuclear energy consistently requires more energy than it produces.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/france/Energy_imports/

Even though that wasn't really what I am talking about. The reality is that France frequently has to shut down many of their reactors, which causes them to for longer periods of time require energy from Germany.

The reason for that is that for example in July 2022, 29 of their 56 nuclear plants were offline due to outages. Given that as you the majority of what France produces is nuclear energy, this is a big problems. These offline plants still require energy for cooling. So if other countries didn't provide energy France would have had a blackout.

This is not to be pro-gas or coal. This is to say that just everyone switching to to nuclear energy isn't a magical fix.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by peoplefromibiza on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:33AM (#34389666)
I mean that

In 2021, France exported a total of some 87 terawatt hours of electricity. Meanwhile, electricity imports to France amounted to 44 terawatt-hours that year

Ukraine war turned France into a net importer (not by much) but their situation is far from as bad as in other countries, for example my country, Italy.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by peoplefromibiza on Sunday January 15, 2023 @11:59AM (#34390879)
can't update the original post anymore, after you edited yours so

energy production by source in France

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France#/media/File:F...

energy consumption by source (the mix is much more diversified than the production)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_in_France#/media/File:E...

It's true that they had to shutdown multiple reactors, but on average their energy production creates a surplus respect to their demand.

Re:German riot police clear protesters for coal mine expansion by mytailorisrich on Sunday January 15, 2023 @09:01AM (#34389431)
France also made policy mistakes by significantly reducing its investment in nuclear without committing on any real alternatives, and lately also by postponing critical maintenance "because of Covid", which was a ridiculous thing to do.