Re:Who Was Yasuke, Japan’s First Black Samurai?
by shrubble on Saturday January 14, 2023 @06:09PM
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My understanding is that Yasuke was Black in the way used today.
However he was not considered bound by the same rules as a Japanese samurai, since he was not required to commit ritual suicide on the death of his lord, Nobunaga. That he lived after Nobunaga's death has some sort of meaning; whether that has been fully discovered at this point I don't know.
Re:Who Was Yasuke, Japan’s First Black Samurai?
by glandium on Saturday January 14, 2023 @06:53PM
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The Japanese wikipedia article mentions there are records of him being born in Portuguese Mozambique. That would make him black-as-African.
Re:Who Was Yasuke, Japan’s First Black Samurai?
by notart666 on Saturday January 14, 2023 @07:47PM
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Ehh I'm not sure the Japanese would have a way of knowing that. Given the time period this was in. Not sure if that source can be trusted.
Re:Who Was Yasuke, Japan’s First Black Samurai?
by Smar on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:10PM
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One can trust suprisingly little in the history if you go down this route of not accepting non-verifiable information.
Re:Who Was Yasuke, Japan’s First Black Samurai?
by notart666 on Sunday January 15, 2023 @12:48PM
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That's not how that works.
Re:Who Was Yasuke, Japan’s First Black Samurai?
by Larrikin on Saturday January 14, 2023 @09:35PM
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My experience in threads where black, African, or indigenous people do something historically besides exist as victims of colonialism is that there is always someone who is skeptical and speculates without evidence that the story is probably made up or that the contribution to history is unimportant.
> Beyond his relationship with the famous warlord, Yasuke was a barrier-breaking figure in his own right. Though his life is poorly documented, his story speaks to the surprising cultural connections that existed in 16th-century Japan.
Whenever I see anything like this, I'm immediately skeptical and consider the possibility that some modern is anachronistically and inaccurately interpreting some ancient text through the lens of modern racial categories and descriptions.
Was this guy "Black" in the modern sense (as in a very dark-skinned person of African descent) or "black" in some other sense? I'm reminded of some British scientist or scholar from hundreds of years ago who was described as "black" in some contemporary document, which a lot of people took to mean black-as-African, except that description in that time period probably actually meant something more like white person with black hair and eyes.
Later on, it says the daimyo thought Yasuke's skin looked like it was covered in black paint, which makes it more likely he was actually African, but I'm still not totally convinced.