I'm just taking it up a level. I'm guessing the meth user looks at you and says,

"You clearly haven't taken Meth."

If MDMA users claim it's profound, is it really the same in the eyes of a meth user who has done both MDMA and meth? If the meth user can invalidate the experience with his own, then what does it say in general?

I challenge you to find a meth user that tells you meth is profound, opening experience that brings you closer to people and helps you know yourself.

I'm looking for a person who has done BOTH meth and MDMA and I want him to compare the experience of each. My guess is that Meth operates on another level of profoundness, one that is both different and significantly higher then MDMA.

My guess is that once you take Meth, MDMA isn't really that big of a deal anymore.

I can confirm this isn't true.

They're totally different. My experience of them was totally different.

I found mdma more personal, soul-engaging, pleasurable and enlightning.

Meth was just overwhelming, rushy, detached feeling euphoria with a air of anxiety.

have done both. meth is a strong drug but its experience is absolutely not “profound” at all

why do you keep making comments like this about meth in this thread?

better comparison, LSD and shrooms are very profound, but in a different way than E, think like introspective -vs- social

even better comparison is 2ct7, felt like a nice balanced combination of mdma and lsd, profound but not overwhelmingly

I kept making comments because nobody answered. I now have answers thanks.

'Life affirming' is completely different to being fucked out of your head. MDMA can give you a stronger connection to the important things in life (love, relationships, your feelings) when used sensibly (just like many other drugs). Hard drugs like meth can become your life, no thanks..