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Re:Extreme 'Rogue Wave' in the North Pacific Confirmed as Mo... by njarboe on Thursday January 12, 2023 @02:47PM (#34359296)
If you start measuring something (wave height) and detect a high value in, say, the first year, you better have a very good reason the think the event happens every 1000 years. Especially if you are measuring a few points in a very large ocean.
Re:Extreme 'Rogue Wave' in the North Pacific Confirmed as Mo... by vikingerik on Thursday January 12, 2023 @03:01PM (#34359483)
Right. The "once in X years" reporting is always exaggerated, by subtly constraining it to a specific geographical point.

If there are 500 measuring stations, then every year some one of them is going to experience a once-in-500-years event. We just never notice the other 499, and cherry-pick the one outlier after it already happened. (Yeah, there can be correlation between station measurements; obviously I'm speaking in generalities.)

Re:Extreme 'Rogue Wave' in the North Pacific Confirmed as Mo... by simplotek on Thursday January 12, 2023 @09:00PM (#34363042)
> Right. The "once in X years" reporting is always exaggerated, by subtly constraining it to a specific geographical point.

Not really. You got it exactly backwards. The return period of an event is determined based on all recorded events. This does not mean that massive events that took place in the past didn't existed if no record was kept. Consequently, massive events are underrepresented both in magnitude and in frequency, and consequently estimates of their return period tend to be larger.

Think of it this way: the concept of the return period of an event (i.e., this is a one in X year's event) is determined based on the average time between similar events.

Re:Extreme 'Rogue Wave' in the North Pacific Confirmed as Mo... by Enginerrrd on Thursday January 12, 2023 @04:30PM (#34360519)
I think what that is, is the probability prediction you get from the naive model, known to underestimate the probability of very large waves.