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Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by WalterBright on Thursday January 12, 2023 @12:55PM (#34357702)
I've heard the same thing, and I usually respond with prices of decent, filling food at the grocery store - like potatoes, a can of beans, a bag of apples, etc. As for cooking, you can buy a used microwave at the thrift store for about what a soft taco costs at Taco Time.
Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by legerdemain on Thursday January 12, 2023 @01:15PM (#34357994)
Apples don't contribute much to a healthy diet: they're sweet, acidic enough to damage tooth enamel, and packed with fructose. You'd be much better off leaving fruit out of your diet and occasionally treating yourself to a little bit of brown rice or raw broccoli in between your meals of beans and potatoes.
Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by dgoldstein0 on Thursday January 12, 2023 @03:29PM (#34359830)
Apples are a lot healthier than the same amount of fructose in isolation. they have a huge amount of fiber, which is both filling and good for your microbiome. And I'd bet on some good vitamin content though I'm not sure which off the top of my head.

Some fruits may be not much better than candy in that the sugar can metabolize quickly, but apples aren't one of those despite their fructose content.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by legerdemain on Thursday January 12, 2023 @05:09PM (#34360958)
One hundred grams of apples (with skin) consists of 86 grams of water and 10.5 grams of sugar (mostly fructose), 2.5 grams of fiber, and negligible everything else. The only vitamin present in apples in non-trivial quantity is vitamin C.

There is as much protein in broccoli as there is fiber in apples.

To get your daily suggested intake of fiber (30 grams), you'd need to eat almost three pounds of apples a day.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by viridian on Friday January 13, 2023 @08:06AM (#34367154)
Assuming what you say is true, an apple provides you with about 1/27th the amount of carbs the FDA recommends in a day, and 1/12th the amount of fiber recommended in a day.

I fail to see the harm. If I did feel wild one day and decide to down a dozen apples (I'm not sure I physically even could), I'd meet my fiber RDA for that day, and still have only eaten 504 calories worth of carbs.

You may object that I'm not getting any micronutrients this way, but most sources of micronutrients are nearly irrelevant calorically, so they don't really matter when you talk about capacity planning for macronutrients and calories.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by legerdemain on Friday January 13, 2023 @07:27PM (#34375874)
The harm is that the apple is acidic, damages tooth enamel over time, its nutrition value comes only from sugar (most of which is fructose), and it's not actually filling. Ask any fruitarian how soon after a meal of fruit they feel hungry again.

Seeing no harm in eating apples is like seeing no harm in eating candy. Sure, eating a piece of candy once is trivial -- but you're insisting on candy as a part of my diet, not as an incidental, rare snack. Eating candy only has downsides.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by WarOnPrivacy on Thursday January 12, 2023 @01:29PM (#34358212)
> I've heard the same thing, and I usually respond with prices of decent, filling food at the grocery store - like potatoes, a can of beans, a bag of apples, etc. As for cooking, you can buy a used microwave at the thrift store for about what a soft taco costs at Taco Time.

You may want to factor in that the 20 minutes they have to acquire and prep a meal is already coming out of the 6 hours they have allocated for sleep.

Having done a decade of hunger-level poverty, I found it surprising busy.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by WalterBright on Thursday January 12, 2023 @02:46PM (#34359286)
Takes me 2 minutes to microwave a $2 can of chili. The can is worth about 2 meals. The trip to the store, once a week.

Driving to Taco Time every day takes time, gas, and costs $20 for a meal.

Ironically, I microwave meals and such not because I'm poor, but to save time. I dislike going to restaurants and even McBurger because it takes too much time.

Another meal I like takes less than a minute. Pour some oats in a bowl. Add raisins. Add milk. Ready to eat. I doubt it costs 50 cents. Or make a couple cheese sandwiches with butter and a pickle.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by WarOnPrivacy on Thursday January 12, 2023 @04:43PM (#34360659)
These sound like things that can be done by someone who has resources when and where they need them.

They do not sound like something that can be done consistently by someone without regular transportation or pay.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by seneca on Thursday January 12, 2023 @06:16PM (#34361625)
> These sound like things that can be done by someone who has resources when and where they need them.

> They do not sound like something that can be done consistently by someone without regular transportation or pay.

If someone has transportation to go to a fast food restaurant, they have transportation to go to a corner store and buy a can of beans. If they have money for one, they have money for the other. It's actually usually cheaper not to eat the junk food.

Reality is that most poor people eat junk food because it's less effort, and because the high amounts of salt, fat, and sugar that make it so unhealthy are nearly addictive and act as a comfort.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by WarOnPrivacy on Thursday January 12, 2023 @07:16PM (#34362241)
> If someone has transportation to go to a fast food restaurant, they have transportation to go to a corner store and buy a can of beans.

There's a number of ways this wouldn't be true and they aren't difficult to come up with.

Beyond that, the discussion is encapsulating somewhat broader points - the resources it takes to eat consistently healthy vs eating cheaply. It wouldn't make sense to only include fast food in the poor diet options.

Your seem to be asserting this: That someone living in a healthy-food dessert and without reliable access to transportation has no excuse to not consistently eat a healthy diet.

I counter that 60 seconds of thinking it thru would produce any number of scenarios that clearly speak against that assertion.

> Reality is that most poor people eat junk food because it's less effort, and because the high amounts of salt, fat, and sugar that make it so unhealthy are nearly addictive and act as a comfort.

This is meaningfully related, though it's a bit over declared. Some with limited access to resources may be able to put a healthy meal together if they're playing their A Game. But A Games are hard to come by for folks condemned to survival mode - maybe the sort where 5 hours sleep is the norm along with caregiving multiple people while working multiple jobs.

Re:Eggs are 60% more expensive than last year in the US by metadat on Thursday January 12, 2023 @09:23PM (#34363194)
FYI, half-decent Chili at Safeway is now more like $3.50-5.50. The days of canned food being cheap are over, even the tiny cans of super high sodium 200%+ DV Campbell's Chicken Soup costs like $2-3.

What are the poor people supposed to live off of? Potatoes, beans, and rice 24/7?