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Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by hef19898 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:10AM (#34321901)
Nitpick: From a glimpse at the article, I think the defendant will represent himself, the "AI lawyer" running on the defendants smartphone will just give him hints. Not sure how it can be acceptable to have a third party listen into court proceedings in real time through a smartphone, but ok.
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by g_p on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:18AM (#34321945)
> The AI lawyer tells the defendant what to say in real-time, through headphones.

Yeah - and I wonder what will happen if it starts telling the defendant to say things which aren't grounded and rooted in fact, or which contradict things they previously said or submitted in writing.

Not sure a generative model is the best way to keep people clear of obvious cases of perjury/lying under oath etc.

Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by hef19898 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:29AM (#34322013)
Well, INAL, but during the legal interactions I had, none of which was in the US or got to actual trial, whenever the clients didn't follow the legal guidance of the lawyer, the lawyer was not accountable. Heck, even if you follow your lawyer's advice, the lawyer isn't accountable for the outcome. Only for the correct conduct of his practice. So I'd say, in this AI-supported court case (for speeding ticket after all), if the AI screws up I think the defendant is on its own. Or we see a follow up civil suite against the "AI" provider, which would be both, hilarious and highly interesting.
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by g_p on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:40AM (#34322080)
Clients not following their advice is always going to happen, and it's not the lawyer's problem as you say. And indeed, the lawyer can't (and historically in many jurisdictions shouldn't be creating compensation structures which imply they can) guarantee the outcome.

I agree the defendant is likely to be on their own, and I'm wondering whether the individual concerned is aware of this. The company seems to be willing to backstop their ticket if they lose.

I'm not sure that will help much if they are sent to jail for a few days for wasting court time for relatedly lying under oath or talking themselves into a generative AI's web of inaccurate statements. Such a follow-up suit would be both hilarious and interesting to follow indeed.

Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by djhn on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:24AM (#34321983)
Yes. If its one thing we've seen ChatGPT and the like struggling with, it's internal consistency and keeping the whole text coherent and tied to some fundamental overarching thread or strategy.

To play devil's advocate though, would a layman without AI help be any better at navigating this?

Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by g_p on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @03:31AM (#34322028)
Answer - probably not.

But courts are very likely (in my view) to take a very very dim view of the introduction of some kind of barrack-room "AI lawyer". It will slow things down by introducing potentially spurious arguments which wouldn't have been made by either a represented party, or unrepresented party.

Given the courts are a public service, this isn't necessarily zero sum - unrepresented parties do take longer in court, but I very strongly suspect in the life of a whole case, parties with an aspiring barrack-room AI lawyer will take up more court time. Especially if their argument loses coherency or starts to contradict itself.

Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by phpisthebest on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @09:57AM (#34325762)
This is not an AI problem, I have seen more than a few time Lawyers contradict in different parts of a case. One example off the top of my head is when Lawyers attempt aurge that social media platforms are both publishers and platforms so they can not be held liable at all under any circumstance
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by jcranmer on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:14AM (#34326032)
> One example off the top of my head is when Lawyers attempt aurge that social media platforms are both publishers and platforms so they can not be held liable at all under any circumstance

... that would be very surprising, since there is no legal definition nor distinction of publisher or platform.

Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by phpisthebest on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:18AM (#34326106)
Yes there is.
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by jcranmer on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @10:28AM (#34326264)
Cite the law, then. It's not in 47 USC section 230, which is the main legal citation that matters for social media platforms.
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by tptacek on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @08:46PM (#34334041)
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by PartiallyTyped on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:15AM (#34323108)
I don't think that this counts as a third party ... given that it runs locally. Lawyers make use of laptops all the time in the courtroom.
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by hef19898 on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @06:32AM (#34323237)
Also to record speech?
Re:AI-powered lawyer will be first of its kind to represent ... by phpisthebest on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @09:53AM (#34325716)
>>Not sure how it can be acceptable to have a third party listen into court proceedings in real time through a smartphone, but ok.

Why would it not be? Court Rooms are public, open to the public with many high profile case being broadcast in real time

Personally I think ever courtroom should have everything broadcast in real time to anyone that wants to view it

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