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Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by college_physics on Monday January 09, 2023 @06:34AM (#34309223)
I am missing: "How could we make the world a better place while doing good business?"

Probably too extreme a question.

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by TeMPOraL on Monday January 09, 2023 @06:42AM (#34309264)
Ok, so a slightly less extreme version:

"What would you do if you discovered that your company's core product or service has a net negative influence on the world?". This is a hypothetical, so assume the evidence you have is clear and the conclusion correct.

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by xoptions on Monday January 09, 2023 @06:36AM (#34309240)
What do you think about utopia?
Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by college_physics on Monday January 09, 2023 @06:52AM (#34309332)
According to search behavior at least, interest in utopias is growing steadily since the fifties. The fans of the "you never had it so good" theory must work a bit harder https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=uto...

Interestingly, while from the beginning the word utopia was used to refer to a desirable (perfect) society, etymologically it simply means a place that does not exist.

In contrast to dystopia, which is clearly a bad place.

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by tremon on Tuesday January 10, 2023 @12:46PM (#34328564)
etymologically it simply means a place that does not exist

This isn't true, I think? Assuming that it derives from the Greek τόπος (location), it literally means "good place" (εὖ-τόπος). The no-such-place translation in Greek would probably be ἄτοπος, but that's an existing word and uses one of the other meanings of τόπος (it means uncommon or absurd).

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by safety1st on Monday January 09, 2023 @07:34AM (#34309621)
It's not extreme, but it's somewhat naive. If you want to make the world a better place, there are usually better ways to do so than via a for-profit business.

PR stunts aside, a business is where you allocate capital that needs to generate a return. Why overload this concept? Invest your money in a nonprofit or a charity instead. If you want to ride a horse, don't argue with a cow because it isn't a horse. Milk it, sell the milk, and buy a horse.

...And if this is not a discussion about how you personally are allocating your capital, your best next step is to go generate more capital because then you can invest it however you damn well please. :)

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by college_physics on Monday January 09, 2023 @07:59AM (#34309818)
Au-contraire, I think its naive to think that when such a large fraction of our lives (and economic activity) is built around particular types of for-profit businesses that we can somehow achieve our broader goals without them.

We must break that spell. For-profit business are not structured according to some immutable laws of nature. Everything about them is a legal construct and it can be tweaked. Corporate entities didn't even exist until a few centuries ago. There is probably an entire spectrum of entities one can have between a charity and a typical modern corporate.

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by safety1st on Monday January 09, 2023 @09:24AM (#34310616)
Who's this "we" you're referring to that will enact these changes? Is it the shareholders of the companies? That's a no go - they won't go much beyond making token sacrifices for the sake of PR.

Is it the government? The regulators and the executives of the companies they regulate are frequently the same people - they do their time in private enterprise and then they become policymakers for the industry they were working in. The justification for this is that an industry needs to be regulated by people who understand that industry in depth (if you're a programmer - do things go well when all the rules around your work are made by non-programmers?).

Is it the people? Depends on the country you're in frankly. In the US popular opinion doesn't really support heavy-handed corporate regulation. There are some high impact issues like anti-trust where the public is fairly sympathetic to reigning in the biggest bad guys and I think those are good places to put your resources. Again, the best use of those resources is putting them into an organization dedicated to working on that issue. And the more capital you acquire from your business, the more impact you'll have.

My point of view isn't that we should have no corporate governance. But I have the hard-nosed realist view that the wishful thinking of "we" is ineffective. It has a poor track record. I'm saying a better approach is to go make money and then use it to alter the fabric of reality directly. Maybe network with other people who've made their money and convince them to do the same. This is easier than most people realize, I mean it takes a lot of work and time, but it's the type of work that will prepare you to vet organizations and make smart decisions about who can do the most with your contributions anyway.

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by college_physics on Monday January 09, 2023 @11:00AM (#34311807)
By all means go ahead. People thinking and acting on these concerns mostly "have made their money", or at least feel secure enough to do so. The (large) complement of people who didn't are too distracted by daily struggle to relate.

Another reason for empowered individuals to act on their hunches is that there is no sure fire prescription of how to achieve change. We feel that things are "not alright" and we can reasonably suspect "nearby" alternate realities. Yet finding the pathways from A to B is basically by trial-and-error. In such context, the more trials and the more orthogonal to each other, the better.

More systemic processes might be slow but they are not "ineffective". Its a matter of timescale and perspective. The slowest of them all, the educational system, is actually the most effective in the long run.

Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by smartbear on Monday January 09, 2023 @10:13AM (#34311185)
I like that a lot. I'll probably add that to the piece, thank you!
Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by smartbear on Thursday January 12, 2023 @11:53AM (#34356566)
I actually did add this as another prompt. Thanks again for the great idea.
Re:Extreme questions to trigger new, better ideas by humane_tech on Monday January 09, 2023 @05:57PM (#34317732)
This is almost exactly the question that lead to the success of Humanitix.

https://www.humanitix.com/au/about-us.

https://www.afr.com/technology/tech-platform-reimagines-ethi...

There are a few other similar examples, like https://thankyou.co and https://au.whogivesacrap.org.