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Re:Why 37signals Doesn't Hire Programmers Based on Brainteasers by ori_b on Thursday January 05, 2012 @03:34PM (#3430376)
After 15 years of programming, one would hope that seeing the definition of it would be enough to let you implement it in short order. Expecting to have it memorized? Of course not. Expecting you to be able to code it up after a good explanation of what it is? I wouldn't expect you to have any serious issues.

I honestly had forgotten the definition of it (the last time I saw it was in high school algebra), but I was able to get a working solution in about 10 minutes, including looking at the definition on Wikipedia. I'd say I'm a rather average coder (I'm certainly surrounded by people far better than I am, in any case).

If you had never seen or heard of Pascal's triangle before, I'd say maybe 20 minutes to code it would be reasonable.

Re:Why 37signals Doesn't Hire Programmers Based on Brainteasers by bad_user on Thursday January 05, 2012 @07:57PM (#3431412)
Well, if the Pascal triangle question is not a question of what is a Pascal triangle and the problem is properly explained, then it is easy to come up with a solution.

However, this doesn't highlight good engineers. You know why? Because in the real world finding out the problem is many times a lot harder than coming up with a solution.

Here's a sample:

If I say to you that "I want these and these people classified / sorted, such that I want to find the people that have the best probability of being a good hire" ... I haven't actually told you the problem. I don't really know the problem myself. All I know is maybe that the hiring process is broken for some reason and I'd like to fix it, but I don't know the reasons (I can't put my finger on it).

And that's not a properly defined problem. We don't even know how to measure properly if a hire was good or not. And in the real world, that's how most problems are described to engineers - i.e. I have this pain, solve it somehow.

Re:Why 37signals Doesn't Hire Programmers Based on Brainteasers by jemfinch on Thursday January 05, 2012 @08:06PM (#3431433)
> However, this doesn't highlight good engineers.

It's not intended to. It's highlighting bad engineers, not good ones. It's a negative filter, not a positive one.

> We don't even know how to measure properly if a hire was good or not.

Your company doesn't do performance reviews for employees?

Re:Why 37signals Doesn't Hire Programmers Based on Brainteasers by bad_user on Thursday January 05, 2012 @08:38PM (#3431522)
> Your company doesn't do performance reviews for employees?

Every performance review I ever attended was a bad joke, for the same reasons companies have problems filtering between candidates.

Seriously, if there's a problem with the hiring process (it was just an example btw, I'm not saying there is one at your company), then why do you think performance reviews work out well?

Re:Why 37signals Doesn't Hire Programmers Based on Brainteasers by ori_b on Thursday January 05, 2012 @08:08PM (#3431438)
Right. I would hope that implementing something like the Pascal triangle is not the only question you would ask. It indicates if someone can't turn specs into code, but not much more.