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Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by dette on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:53AM (#34296754)
I was very surprised reading some of your posts and realize just how many leftists there are in IT, especially on HN. I don't understand why you bother. Programming is pure logic, but many programmers rely on their feelings when it comes to politics.
Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by WalterBright on Sunday January 08, 2023 @03:20AM (#34297170)
Sometimes I feel I'm the only one on HN who is in favor of free markets.

It's also clear that apparently many people who respond have never heard anyone make a case for free markets before. It's amazing, because free markets have produced the prosperity and high standard of living we all enjoy. Leftism has never delivered the goods.

Maybe I make a dent, maybe not.

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by brigandish on Sunday January 08, 2023 @04:29AM (#34297497)
It might be because they’ve worked in the private sector but not the public sector. Once I’d worked in a team that spanned across different government departments it changed my view forever, it was like the most dysfunctional companies I’d worked for but with huge budgets and no chance of change through competition or being bought up etc. You can’t unsee waste like that.
Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by WalterBright on Sunday January 08, 2023 @03:29PM (#34302756)
My dad was a socialist as a young man. Being in the military for 23 years cured him of that. We lived on military bases for years, and seeing how they operated is worthy of much sad hilarity.

I also toured East Berlin in 1969 at the height of the Cold War. Modern folk often extol how great the USSR was. They'll tell me the Wall was built to keep the West out. Well, I've seen it with my own eyes. Dingy, gray, and sad.

The bus slipped right in through Checkpoint Charlie with just a passport check. Exiting was another story entirely. We all had to exit the bus while guards with machine guns gave it a very thorough search, including underneath.

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by tome on Sunday January 08, 2023 @05:30AM (#34297856)
I, for one, welcome you sharing your point of view. It’s a breath of fresh air. HN is certainly very different from around 15 years ago when the ethos used to be “libertarianism or GTFO”. I remember getting a heated response for merely suggesting that government might have some role. I guess the change is due to the shift from focus on startups to general technology. It’s just another form of eternal September.
Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by WalterBright on Sunday January 08, 2023 @03:30PM (#34302763)
Thanks. The government does have a critical role in free markets.
Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by nickpp on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:54AM (#34300699)
I am afraid it's this forums policy, as well. I got rate-limited and my votes don't seem to count because I got into heated debates with leftists with clear agendas.

I used to think that I had a duty to educate and to offer an alternative to the anti-capitalist propaganda prevalent here. It doesn't seem that this is wanted, I am afraid.

I kinda' gave up, life is too short and my time is rather precious...

But I do deeply respect and appreciate your contributions, and your reputation and quality of arguments seems to protect you from the regular muzzling. Keep up the good work!

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by WalterBright on Sunday January 08, 2023 @03:33PM (#34302796)
dang has been very nice to me. I try not to do anything that would change that.

For example, I criticize leftist ideas, not leftist people.

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by naasking on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:14PM (#34301505)
> Sometimes I feel I'm the only one on HN who is in favor of free markets.

Most people are for free markets that have no negative externalities. The problem is that very few, if any, markets have no negative externalities, therefore they cannot be completely free.

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by WalterBright on Sunday January 08, 2023 @03:22PM (#34302687)
If you follow my posts, I have dealt with this issue many times. For example, pollution. The leftist viewpoint is using the banhammer along with the government micromanaging it with regulations. The free market viewpoint is to "internalize the externalities" by taxing the pollution.

Want less CO2 emissions? Tax the C content of fuels. That will work far, far better than all the "ban ICE car sales by 2035" and other blunderbuss approaches.

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by naasking on Sunday January 08, 2023 @03:40PM (#34302861)
> The leftist viewpoint is using the banhammer along with the government micromanaging it with regulations. The free market viewpoint is to "internalize the externalities" by taxing the pollution.

Internalizing the externalities requires stringent regulations. That is a leftist position too.

> Want less CO2 emissions? Tax the C content of fuels.

If only it were that simple. This disproportionately impacts poorer people. This is why you create incentives for manufacturers to create alternatives, like EV, and then you can carbon tax fuels when those alternatives are available.

Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by brazzledazzle on Sunday January 08, 2023 @06:54AM (#34298330)
This sort of comment tends to generate poor outcomes in discussions on HN. No matter what your political views are, if you suggest that yours alone have a monopoly on logic and the views of others are determined by capricious emotion it's going to elicit negative responses and derail the thread. Framing it as a foregone conclusion is only going to magnify the perception of apathetic arrogance and increases the odds of it spiraling into a mess moderators will be left cleaning up.
Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by dette on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:07AM (#34299685)
Just by your writing we can identify that you are on the left. Cause it is all text, no content.
Re:Excess Management Is Costing the U.S. $3T Per Year (2016) by brazzledazzle on Sunday January 08, 2023 @10:51AM (#34300077)
We can disagree without being uncivil when our feelings get the better of us.