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Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by yuppie_scum on Saturday January 07, 2023 @06:27PM (#34294165)
“The Power Broker” by Caro is a must-read.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by voisin on Sunday January 08, 2023 @12:15PM (#34300922)
It is an excellent book but I think it could have an abridged version for the vast majority of people who don’t need the crazy amount of minutiae in it. I found sections riveting, but in between I struggled with boredom - not every single meeting and letter and interaction is important!
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by throw0101c on Sunday January 08, 2023 @12:48PM (#34301240)
> It is an excellent book but I think it could have an abridged version for the vast majority of people who don’t need the crazy amount of minutiae in it.

From the article:

> There would be other battles, like the one over a long section on the history of grass in Texas Hill Country, in the first volume of the Johnson biography, that Gottlieb wanted to cut—“a tremendous battle, an angry, angry battle” is how Caro, who ended up on the losing side, describes it.

Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by kingkawn on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:18PM (#34301550)
It’s too bad, because the nature of that grass created the economic conditions of Johnson’s early life
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by twoodfin on Sunday January 08, 2023 @07:24PM (#34305056)
As I recall, tons of this background on the geology and ecology of the Texas Hill Country is still in the book.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by hardwaregeek on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:08PM (#34301440)
I disagree. All the details matter. The book is an epic story closer to a Tolstoy novel than a mere biography. It’s about a city and a man’s impact on the city. It’s about all of the people whose lives he benefited and whose lives he ruined. Without that sense of scale, the ending doesn’t work. You don’t have time to build sympathy for Moses and to slowly lose that sympathy. And to finally finish with that conflicted love, hate, pity, and awe that I left the book with.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by voisin on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:12PM (#34301488)
> The book is an epic story closer to a Tolstoy novel than a mere biography. It’s about a city and a man’s impact on the city. It’s about all of the people whose lives he benefited and whose lives he ruined. Without that sense of scale, the ending doesn’t work. You don’t have time to build sympathy for Moses and to slowly lose that sympathy. And to finally finish with that conflicted love, hate, pity, and awe that I left the book with.

I don’t disagree with any of this.

> All the details matter.

This is where we disagree. I think 30-50% of the book could be cut and you’d still be able to accomplish everything in the first quote above.

Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by hardwaregeek on Sunday January 08, 2023 @02:37PM (#34302305)
Okay I will concede that Caro loves his grand sweeping intro in which he explains that this chapter will outline how Moses evolved in the 30’s, then explain in very close detail how this change happens, then have a grand sweeping recap about how these changes happened and what it meant. It is a lot, but I kind of love this baroque, over the top style.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by pessimizer on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:54PM (#34301889)
What's the necessity of making biographies read like fiction?
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by hardwaregeek on Sunday January 08, 2023 @02:36PM (#34302292)
They’re really really fun to read? Real life can be dramatic too.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by kingkawn on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:17PM (#34301539)
The details of building and wielding power is the point of the series.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by tasseff on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:20PM (#34301568)
Interestingly, no Kindle version of The Power Broker is available, although there were reports in 2021 that one was purchasable on Amazon for a very short time [1]. I really dislike handling large books, especially if I'm reading in a casual setting. Because of this, I decided to start reading The Years of Lyndon Johnson series instead, which do have Kindle versions.

[1] https://www.curbed.com/2021/07/power-broker-caro-ebook-knopf...

Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by misiti3780 on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:31PM (#34301682)
I have an epub if you want it.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by gaws on Sunday January 08, 2023 @07:26PM (#34305077)
If it's the epub passed around different corners of the web, then it's not worth sharing. The formatting is garbage. One is better off reading the book in print.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by misiti3780 on Monday January 09, 2023 @11:21AM (#34312067)
I read the book on my kindle using it, format seemed fine to me.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by RoboTeddy on Sunday January 08, 2023 @01:21PM (#34301582)
One strategy I’ve seen employee is to tear the book into three parts.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by dinkleberg on Sunday January 08, 2023 @05:08PM (#34303715)
If you like audio books, I'd definitely recommend listening to his books. I find these epic length books much easier to get through in audio form.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by twoodfin on Sunday January 08, 2023 @07:21PM (#34305032)
Agree. The Audible versions of The Power Broker and the LBJ books have excellent narration.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by superposeur on Sunday January 08, 2023 @11:18PM (#34306695)
The high point of my reading life was listening to the audio Caro books. In a book review, George Will somewhat derogatorily called the Caro style "incantatory", with Caro's relentless repetition of metaphors such as the "dam" of Southern Democrats holding back Civil Rights, and phrases such as the "three R's" of Roosevelt, Rayburn, Russell. But it is this incantatory style that makes the writing spring to life in audio. And, yes, you can make your way through them while doing laundry or driving to work.
Re:A Civil War over Semicolons: Biographer Robert Caro and H... by philipps on Sunday January 08, 2023 @08:27PM (#34305573)
Yes, I had the exact same reaction and actually donated a print version of the book to the Internet Archive so they might create a digital ebook. It never materialized and I ended up reading the print version, and found it well worth the physical effort.