Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by mort96 on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:12PM
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"Seed oils and sweeteners" are two radically different things. Do you think there's some common underlying mechanism, or that both just happen to be bad in completely unrelated ways which somehow both have the same result of encouraging weight gain?
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Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by kragen on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:21PM
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i might be wrong about this but since sesame has been cultivated for seven thousand years throughout the middle east and india i am guessing that seed oils generically are not a significant part of the cause, though i'm not aware of a traditional diet that gets the majority of its calories from sesame oil (like the hadza with honey or some inuit diets with meat)
but there are lots of other seed oils that have become much more popular in the last half-century that are more plausible suspects, like cottonseed oil, sunflower seed oil, and safflower oil
i think rapeseed oil is probably not it because its popularity is more recent
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by bogdanstanciu on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:37PM
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Probably a very large difference between a sesame seed, and sesame seed oil that's been extracted (which I believe involves a chemical process)
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by kragen on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:17PM
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it involves squishing the seeds and has probably been the principal use of sesame for seven thousand years
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by errantmind on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:27PM
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It is the fat profile of seed oils that is the problem, at least in my investigations. We are consuming certain fats in very high quantities now that we never did historically.
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by kragen on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:18PM
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it's possible, but it seems a bit far-fetched, given the enormous variety of fats used in different traditional diets that didn't cause obesity epidemics
there was a lot of excitement about ten years ago that the ratio of n-6 unsaturated fats to n-3 unsaturated fats might be the key, but that doesn't seem to have panned out
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by bobthepanda on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:22PM
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It should be noted that sesame is a top ten allergen in the US and top three in Israel (where it is very common) and so don’t rush out to replace all your oils with sesame
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by kragen on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:27PM
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it also has a strong flavor and a low smoke point, so hopefully nobody would; it would make a terrible replacement for olive oil, butter, grapeseed oil, lard, aceite de dende, sunflower oil, etc.
the fact that somebody else might be allergic to it doesn't seem like a major consideration for whether i should cook with it though
unless they're coming over that day
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by errantmind on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:17PM
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No, I have no reason to believe they are connected directly, just both are bad in the quantities consumed when eating processed foods.
Re:A plea for culinary modernism: Why we should love fast, p...
by nerdponx on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:16PM
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Triggering excessive inflammation (either systemically or locally in the gut) seems like a plausible common mechanism, even if the mechanisms by which that happens are completely different.