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Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by vanderZwan on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:39PM (#34267096)
The company sending you a high bill doesn't automatically mean the guy who fixed your house gets paid well though, does it?
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by WalterBright on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:40PM (#34267119)
They were one man shops.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:46PM (#34267202)
The electrician is not charging to do a 5 minute job. They do not know that when they accept the job over the phone.

They are charging for their time to drive to and from you, the possibility that the job is more involved than described, and the liability from doing the job. And the opportunity cost of not accepting a different job due to your job.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by WalterBright on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:54PM (#34267335)
That's the price I was quoted to do the whole house, not one socket. $50 per outlet.

If I hired one to come out and do one socket, I'd be sure to get a $200 site visit charge added on.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by SoftTalker on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:19PM (#34267685)
This is what a contractor does when he doesn't want the job because it's basically too small and would be more of an annoyance than anything worth doing. Bid an outrageous amount and then if the client says "yes" at least you're making some money.

He's probably got a backlog of large jobs he can make more money on. So if he's going to come out and do outlet installation on one house, he's going to bid an amount that is worth delaying other work.

For small/simple household jobs, you should call a handyman not a trade contractor.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by adastra22 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:37PM (#34267922)
I can confirm that is the the going rate right now.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by inferiorhuman on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:41PM (#34271051)
FWIW I paid about $100 an outlet recently (as part of a much larger project). Yes you can get 99 cent receptacles at Home Depot, yes they will be crap (residential grade) and likely not up to code. NEC requires all circuits in the kitchen and bathroom be GFCI protected, and all kitchen outlets to also be tamper resistant. A GFCI, non-TR receptacle costs bout $15 at Home Depot, and again you're talking bargain basement units that a professional electrician may not want to install for risk of having to eat the cost of a return visit. Commercial and hospital grade outlets both cost more ($30+, $50+ respectively for tamper resistant GFCI). The outlets with USB A+C ports start at around $60 per.

In some jurisdictions you may be able to get away with one GFCI outlet per circuit, but then you're paying for their time to map out which circuits are which.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by adastra22 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:43PM (#34271069)
To be clear, the $50 was labor only.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by inferiorhuman on Friday January 06, 2023 @02:57AM (#34272132)
Twenty years ago I'd expect $50 to cover materials and labor. Prices have exploded in the past couple years.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by danielheath on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:49PM (#34267252)
It's hardly surprising that a 5 minute job that requires travel to and from the customer site on your own dime costs enough to cover their travel time & costs; 20 years ago they had to read a map, plan a route to their jobs for the day, drive to and from the site.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by nemo44x on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:51PM (#34267294)
You're going to pay for a couple of hours no matter what. He isn't just getting salary either. There's employment taxes that need to be paid, tools and transportation costs, insurance, benefits, etc.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by karaterobot on Thursday January 05, 2023 @05:34PM (#34267878)
One thing about contractors is that you're paying them for the time they aren't working.

As in, they're probably not working steadily, 40 hours a week, every week, but they still have bills to pay, and this down time must be factored into their rates for the profession to be sustainable.

On the other hand, if they DO work 40 hours a week, every single week, they can probably afford to raise their rates...

Have not been an electrician, but I have been a software contractor, and the idea is the same.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by WalterBright on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:58PM (#34269487)
As a programmer who sometimes does contract work, I know how that works.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by Manuel_D on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:46PM (#34269876)
Then do it yourself. I change my own oil and filters. They're able to charge that much because plenty of people can't do it themselves.

But the reality is they've also got the businesses expenses of maintaining their work vehicle, their insurance, their healthcare, etc. That $50 probably only translates to $20 into usable income.

Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by cosmodisk on Friday January 06, 2023 @01:10AM (#34271568)
Having done one myself, I blew off the fuses and burned some wires, because I bought a wrong thing,so yeah, it's a 5 min job but you still need to know what to do.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by missedthecue on Thursday January 05, 2023 @08:30PM (#34269751)
Interestingly, in my experience the difference between company quotes and owner-operator quotes are that the companies are somehow cheaper.
Re:America needs carpenters and plumbers. Try telling that t... by playingalong on Friday January 06, 2023 @03:45AM (#34272456)
They need to cover the contingency. You don't expect them to be scheduled back to back from 9 to 5 each day.