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Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 05, 2023 @01:42PM (#34264435)
> Wouldn't solar panels on the moon be easier?

Dust.

Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by nakedrobot2 on Thursday January 05, 2023 @01:52PM (#34264597)
there is no wind on the moon.
Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:05PM (#34264805)
> there is no wind on the moon

There is near a Moon base, which is presumably where you’d need power.

Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by ben_w on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:27PM (#34265156)
"Near" is a relative term; 10 km is a rounding error for resistive losses even in a mediocre cable at unspectacular voltages, even 1000 km isn't much loss for an HVDC cable, and it's economically reasonable to loop the moon with a 600Ω conductor if SpaceX's Starship price estimate works out.
Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:42PM (#34265400)
I was going to rebut with distance and maintenance, but it's a hell of a lot easier to go 10km over than 10km up. (I think?)

> it's economically reasonable to loop the moon with a 600Ω conductor

Could you generate nontrivial power from the Moon's motion through the Earth's magnetic field?

Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by ben_w on Thursday January 05, 2023 @03:28PM (#34266073)
> Could you generate nontrivial power from the Moon's motion through the Earth's magnetic field?

Not sure, but my gut feeling says no: the Moon is a very long way from the Earth relative to the Earth's size, therefore the magnetic field is likely to be fairly uniform around the Moon and so that can't extract much work.

That said, one fun idea I've had is to just assume that the Dark Energy expansion of the universe is pushing the Moon away very slowly; 73 (km/s)/Mpc * distance to the moon ≈ 9.5e-10 m/s, which is pretty close to the actual current Moon-Earth recession speed.

Plugging that into the formula for far-field gravitational potential energy given the mass of Earth and the Moon, that's about 170 GW at the present time.

(But don't go trying to crowd-fund a Dark Energy field reactor on my say-so: At my [rather limited] level of understanding, it looks like physicists haven't yet reached any sort of consensus as to whether or not Dark Energy might work like that).

Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by JumpCrisscross on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:27PM (#34266877)
I'll shoot you the DEFCoin white paper.
Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by WJW on Thursday January 05, 2023 @03:13PM (#34265843)
My gut feeling says that it is not impossible but you would probably need many loops around the moon to generate a sufficient coil, making the whole thing cost prohibitive. You could probably dot some solar farms around the equator of the moon and loop them all up with a big cable for a fraction of the price.
Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by LarryMullins on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:27PM (#34266872)
Laying ten thousand kilometers of cable to loop around the moon sounds like a huge undertaking, even if you've got a rocket that can bring the cable there.

What would the cable layer look like? A huge robotic rover? Could you get all 10,000 km onto one spool, or deliver new spools to it?

Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by ben_w on Friday January 06, 2023 @04:28AM (#34272732)
I doubt this is a good guess, given I'm neither a civil engineer nor a space engineer, but my guess would be it would look like a machine for laying a railway.

It's a Starship-scale project: something like 100 launches, which is only feasible because Starship is targeting such low launch costs.

I don't know (see previous disclaimer) but I wouldn't be surprised if (assuming circumlunar power is even the chosen solution) this is done by sending up an aluminium factory instead and processing regolith.

Re:Caltech to Launch Space Solar Power Technology Demo into ... by LarryMullins on Thursday January 05, 2023 @04:12PM (#34266663)
There's still a bit of dust falling on the moon, kicked up by meteorite impacts and perhaps electrostatic effects. Probably not enough dust to cause issues though.