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Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by brookst on Thursday January 05, 2023 @10:23AM (#34260892)
> We know that porn is harmful

A lot of assumptions and unquestioned biases in that little statement.

But I think the bigger point here is the debate about how much and which parenting roles we want government to take on.

I’d argue that religion is far more harmful, especially to children. Teaching magical thinking, false promises of afterlife, and hatred for outgroups can warp peoples’s whole lives.

> That’s a standard we’ve had in America for generations

That isn’t a particularly strong argument, given the other standards we’ve had for generations, like treatment of women and minorities, the inequalities of the justice and financial systems, the corruption and nepotism in our politics. The insane idea that 5 year olds play highly violent video games daily but will somehow be ruined by seeing boobs (or even fucking) is just. . . Wow.

Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by vel0city on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:02AM (#34261687)
> false promises of afterlife

I wouldn't say "promises of afterlife" are false, they're unknowable. Saying there's potentially an afterlife is a non-falsifiable statement; there's no test for it we could actually do to confirm or deny its existence.

Unless you've got an actual test which can definitively prove there's no afterlife, in which case I'm all ears.

Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by pfdietz on Thursday January 05, 2023 @02:57PM (#34265607)
I would say almost all religions are false. That's because if you have N different religions that claim different and incompatible things, at least N-1 of them must be wrong.
Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by TheFreim on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:16AM (#34261999)
> A lot of assumptions and unquestioned biases in that little statement.

You're assuming that they have not questioned and looked into things, as it turns out there is good evidence against pornography being healthy.

> I’d argue that religion is far more harmful, especially to children. Teaching magical thinking, false promises of afterlife, and hatred for outgroups can warp peoples’s whole lives.

I will offer a few points for consideration.

1. You assume, and if I was uncharitable I'd say that this is an "unquestioned bias" though I have no reason to believe that to be the case, that all religion is false, this is extremely contested. I've known atheists who would even contest this unqualified statement since they'd argue that even if they deny the ultimate reality of religious claims that the goods taught by religions and the bonds formed are positive goods which outweigh the perceived negatives.

2. I do not see, even granting that all religion is false or even evil, the case that pornography, which regularly promotes incest, abusive behavior, is the result of trafficking and rank with abuse, is worse than the typical religious expression in western countries which would promote charity and discourage evils.

Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by 0xcde4c3db on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:32AM (#34262323)
> as it turns out there is good evidence against pornography being healthy

Please cite it if you have it, because discussions on this topic are riddled with garbage "evidence" peddled by fringe activist organizations that lack any genuine expertise in the relevant fields.

Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by robertlagrant on Thursday January 05, 2023 @11:18AM (#34262056)
> Teaching magical thinking, false promises of afterlife, and hatred for outgroups can warp peoples’s whole lives.

Saying this is also outgrouping people.

Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by brookst on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:40PM (#34269287)
Strongly disagree. That theory says that any criticism of anyone is "outgrouping". The word loses all meaning.

I can say that people who, IMO, teach children these harmful falsehoods are doing the wrong thing. WITHOUT saying they should be treated badly as a group, or jailed, or that they have bad hygiene, or anything else.

If we can't disagree with specific behaviors, I don't know what's left.

Re:Pornhub users in Louisiana now have to submit government ... by robertlagrant on Thursday January 05, 2023 @07:43PM (#34269323)
There's a lot left. "Religion" is not a tightly knit group with a single set of behaviours or teachings. I don't think I can agree that opposing that straw man to end all straw men is the same as disallowing any criticism of anyone.