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Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by VLM on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:31AM (#34247676)
Another concrete example of the conflict is classical vs quantum physics which is nearly exclusively taught as the historical story of the quantum revolution or whatever you call it around 1900.

It would be trivial to skip the historical story and just "yo here's a FET transistor, a solar cell, and a vacuum tube, and the math just works, so get used to it" but nobody is ever taught that way.

Would be interesting for someone to attempt to write a non-historical physics textbook.

On the other hand, in IT, this style of learning is considered normal. "This is how the kool kids do things today. The past does not matter and probably didn't exist anyway. The end."

Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by chriswarbo on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:48AM (#34247928)
> Would be interesting for someone to attempt to write a non-historical physics textbook.

I recall some prominent physicist saying they've never read Einstein's original papers on relativity; and they don't have any real desire to, since we understand it much better now, and have better examples, notations, etc.

Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by hyperjeff on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @12:39PM (#34248742)
Most physicists have never read them, nor would it help. Most classic papers go unread, and it’s not a bad thing. How things get sorted out is usually a huge mess and following the real history is an enormous distraction (and can confuse and misdirect students).
Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by cycomanic on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @03:19PM (#34250870)
While that is true, I would highly encourage everyone to read the original EPR (Einstein Podolski Rosen) it is so amazingly clear in its writing and can be understood even by laymen.
Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by bee_rider on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @11:50AM (#34247966)
A downside to the modern approach is that “plug the equations into a computer and let it churn for a bit” plays a big role I think. This is seems a bit annoying from a teaching point of view

* “here’s what the computer came up with” doesn’t really build as much intuition as doing the equations out by hand

* there’s enough material in “how to plug it into a computer and make it run quickly” for a whole degree

Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by alexb_ on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @03:31PM (#34251062)
>On the other hand, in IT, this style of learning is considered normal. "This is how the kool kids do things today. The past does not matter and probably didn't exist anyway. The end."

And yet nand2tetris is one of the most common suggestions for people who actually want to figure out how computers work. Because you actually are posed with problems that real world engineers used to struggle with, and are allowed to play with the problem before finding out the answer. It builds a much deeper understanding than "it works like this because it is"

Re:The Calculus They Won't Teach You [video] by aap_ on Wednesday January 04, 2023 @05:25PM (#34252777)
But nand2tetris doesn't have a historical approach if i'm not mistaken.