I'm simply Italian and english is not my native language, so I use the most simple versions of it, resulting in what you call "vetriolic"
Have you ever heard some english native speaker imitating Italian?
they all sound like Don Vito Corleone. Should I assume they work for the mob?
So, basically, you let your prejudice guide your actions.
If you prefer possiamo parlare in Italiano, la mia lingua madre, che conosco molto bene e grazie alla quale posso esprimermi in maniera estremamente più formale. In Italiano, per esempio, le avrei dato del Lei, non del tu, che ritengo molto poco professionale fra persone che non si conoscono e stanno sostenendo una conversazione in pubblico. Nella mia lingua è un segno di reciproco rispetto.
Spero Lei capisca che il mondo parla molto poco inglese e che quello che a Lei sembra "al vetriolo" certifica solamente una sua mancanza di empatia nei confronti delle altrui culture.
Cordiali saluti.
> This is all to say before writing off downvoters are upset people on “the other team”
I have no "team" I just have 26 years of experience in the field and Python deployment is way worse than deploying PHP apps in 1995.
Also, language inconsistencies and a patchwork design, led to very confusing results, like C++, without the extreme power of C++.
Like Perl, without the extremely good bits of Perl.
I do not write Python as my daily job and I do not write Ruby since 2015.
Ruby is simply a better language than Python and Python 2, as a language, was better than the first 5-6 years of Python 3, because it was really a simple language where there was only one way to do stuff.
Python 3 is simply another language, that solved very few of the issues with packaging and dependency management it inherited.
While, for example, PHP in the same time frame it took to migrate Python from 2 to 3 solved a lot of the issues to the point that, if it was preinstalled. I would much prefer it to Python.
The only thing IMO that saved Python from oblivion is that Google invested a lot of money on it.
I strongly believe that the "team" you're talking about is people not wanting to hear that, for some people like me, Python sucks and that we would never use it if were not forced to.
I can honestly say with complete confidence that I’d feel this way regardless of what language you were talking about.
In addition to this though, as someone that writes Python / Django professionally and has done so for some time, my familiarity with the language gives me the necessarily insight to see where your experience is limited. I’ve seen a few inarguable factual inaccuracies (i.e. not based on opinion) in what you’ve said in a few comments. It seems obvious that when you engage with Python and Django you aren’t doing so all that willingly. But honestly your strength in your convictions puts me off getting into a back and forth with you to reach a shared understanding. The confidence with which you’re writing feels a bit misplaced.
Your overuse of hyperbole makes it hard to tell what you actually believe and what you’d genuinely argue for in a real-life professional context rather than behind a screen name on an Internet forum, so even if I wanted to engage in a back and forth I wouldn’t even know where to meet you.
This is a classic example of the loudest and most impassioned voices framing themselves as winning because people just don’t want to engage.
This is all to say before writing off downvoters are upset people on “the other team” which are lesser than you, consider the possibility that you’re probably throwing your weight around a bit too much and are creating an environment that’s generally unpleasant. I’ve enjoyed the tech community largely moving away from the “us vs them” mentality. Truth be told, none of this shit matters enough to warrant that sort of mentality. I feel like I’ve stepped back in time reading your comments. Not only are they unenjoyable to read, but I am not an iota more enlightened about the comparative benefits of Ruby vs Python. So I ask you…what’s actually your intention in commenting in the first place? The truthful answer to that question is why I’ll continue to downvote.