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Re:Ask HN: Why did Frontend development explode in complexity? by taeric on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:34PM (#34223980)
And what modern applications written with it are running circles? Legit question.
Re:Ask HN: Why did Frontend development explode in complexity? by marcellus23 on Monday January 02, 2023 @07:13PM (#34225650)
Almost all of the apps bundled with macOS are written in Cocoa (some are written in Cocoa Touch, which is itself a nearly 15-year-old framework). And a great deal of excellent third-party apps -- off the top of my head, Transmit, Pixelmator, Day One, the Omni Group apps.
Re:Ask HN: Why did Frontend development explode in complexity? by taeric on Monday January 02, 2023 @08:47PM (#34226498)
The bundled apps feels like an odd claim. I don't think of many of those that feel modern. That said, I'm probably not thinking of the right ones.

Will try to take a peek at the rest of this list. I don't, oddly, use that many native Mac applications.

Re:Ask HN: Why did Frontend development explode in complexity? by marcellus23 on Monday January 02, 2023 @09:32PM (#34226816)
> I don't think of many of those that feel modern.

This is a bit interesting to me, which bundled apps don't feel modern to you? Mail, Notes, Pages, Safari... they all seem modern enough to me.

Re:Ask HN: Why did Frontend development explode in complexity? by taeric on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @09:47AM (#34231977)
Mail has always felt like garbage to me. Notes, I will have to give a try again. Though, really, the entire "office suites" that everyone makes always feels off to me. I will full cede that that is just preference.

Safari feels off, as well. But I'm pretty firmly in camp firefox.

When I think bundled apps, I think of their notepad equivalent. The finder. The calculator. And... that is about it. I remember trying to make a script once, and that script editor left me very very lost.