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Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by egypturnash on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:45PM (#34220977)
The word's also used as a slur for people with physical disabilities.

Also the sexual connotation isn't very professional IMHO. And this is the opinion of someone who pays a significant chunk of her bills drawing porn.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by Gordonjcp on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:11PM (#34221363)
You can probably pick any word used as a product name and find someone who claims to be genuinely offended to the core of their being by it.

That doesn't make it a slur.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by zdragnar on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:18PM (#34221467)
It has been in use as a slur in since the 1920's at least.
Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by mgkimsal on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:28PM (#34221628)
I'd never heard of it being used as a slur, growing up in 70s/80s/90s. It just wasn't a word used in my circle/area. Was introduced to it in... late 90s or maybe 2000 at a local Linux group. No one mentioned anything about the name then, and I don't think I actually heard it referenced as a slur until around 10 years ago. Not saying it wasn't used or known as one, but it's certainly not a universal thing.

Perhaps if we ignored some of these reactions to words after... 80+ years, and just let the 'new' meaning become the default... we can move past censoring words that someone, somewhere, used as an insult?

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by philistine on Monday January 02, 2023 @02:53PM (#34222783)
So the fact you personnally were never inconvenienced by a word means it must become ok for others. And whenever we hear a slur, we have to somehow give it a pass because the word wasn't a slur before?

I'd recommend you read up on the aids health supplement, and how that attitude didn't help them. Simple fact is that GIMP has an unfortunate name, it's not getting any better despite your wishes to single-handedly control the most important language on the planet. Its name makes the whole product less appealing, making it a harder sell to switch from Photoshop. A better name would be in order.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by mgkimsal on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:40PM (#34224043)
If any word adopted by anyone as an insult to another is honored as "this is the default interpretation everyone must now assume"... there may be no words left for anyone to use. My point is less about the gimp software name and more the broader issue of language.

The word 'boy' - depending on how said, and the parties involved - could be considered to have racial overtones. We don't stop using that word. We understand context. If I say the word 'boy' when talking to someone, is it automatically a 'slur'? More broadly, is there ever a time when we should assume good intentions vs bad intentions, or do we just constantly assume bad intentions or bad faith in every piece of conversation or writing we consume?

I was asked for a status on a dev issue. I indicated that the bulk of the work was done, except for a couple of small niggling UI issues.

I was "taken aside" and told "I don't ever want to hear you use the n-word again". I was baffled, and still somewhat am. I've used that 'n word' for... over 30 years. It's in literature I've read, have heard prominent people use it for decades, but ... "it's a racist word. racist people use that word. people think you're racist if you use that word".

But... I had to stop using that word around some people who took offense to it.

And... FWIW, I've never cared for the name 'gimp', but not from a perceived slur/slight.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by Gordonjcp on Monday January 02, 2023 @08:22PM (#34226294)
Right, but no-one's ever actually used it as a slur, and it's all just a bunch of folk whining so they can have their voice heard.
Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by philistine on Monday January 02, 2023 @08:32PM (#34226379)
Calling someone a gimp has never been used as a slur? Are you voluntarily denying reality?

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp

Second etymology, fourth definition.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by Gordonjcp on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:57AM (#34229718)
So, on a publically editable crowdsourced website, someone recently added that as a definition, so it must be true?

Yeah, no.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by egypturnash on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @12:13PM (#34234313)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/gimp

Gimp (3): 1. (sometimes offensive): Cripple (sense 1a)

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https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/gimp

The noun gimp is sometimes used to describe a limp or another physical disability, although it's an outdated and offensive word to use.

If you comment on someone's gimp, call the person a gimp, or say, "Look at that guy trying to gimp across the parking lot without his crutches," you've chosen a very objectionable way to talk about a disability. People will know what you mean if you use the word, but they're likely to be offended by it. Gimp was first used in the 1920's, possibly as a combination of limp and gammy, an old slang word for "bad."

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New Oxford Dictionary of American English

gimp(2) | ɡimp | North American informal, derogatory noun 1 a person with a physical disability or leg injury. • a limp. 2 a stupid or contemptible person.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by Gordonjcp on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @04:37PM (#34238435)
Okay, so it appears in a crowdsourced dictionary, and in a dictionary for a nonstandard patois.

Sure.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by DoItToMe81 on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @03:40AM (#34229266)
The use of the word is enormously exaggerated by crybullies desperate to exert some power over a project. Words have contexts, and this context is not a slur. This is on par with the mental defectives claiming "blacklist" is a reference to slavery.
Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by zdragnar on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:05PM (#34223637)
As a general principle, I do think that the level of offense taken should generally be proportional to the context in which a word is used. This particular circumstance is really at worst unfortunate.

That said...

> Perhaps if we ignored some of these reactions to words after... 80+ years, and just let the 'new' meaning become the default... we can move past censoring words that someone, somewhere, used as an insult?

The world we live in today lets black rappers use the n-word in their music while also seeing white teachers get fired for using it in the context of a classroom discussion about why it is a bad word and ought not be used.

The mental gymnastics of accepting a word which could be either a term of endearment or the most deeply offensive pejorative are too messy for my liking.

> It just wasn't a word used in my circle/area

This highlights the problem, I think. You've moved from a circle where it wasn't even in use, to a circle where it is in use with one meaning (an acronym), and now another circle where it has been used for 100 years with an entirely different meaning (a slur).

You have a decision to make. Acknowledge that other people see the word differently than you do, or try to convince everyone that only your view of the word is the right one. Personally, I think it would be easier for the gimp to be renamed, but I'm also making an assumption (based on the circles I've run in) that more people are familiar with gimp as a slur than they are with it as an acronym for a software program.

Re:Filmora and Adobe decide to use “Kdenlive” as a keyword i... by anakaine on Tuesday January 03, 2023 @05:49AM (#34229977)
I'm not an artist, but I'm curious as to how digital artists are making money online. Is it comission based? Is it more like only fans, but for art? What platforms are popular?

Back in the day I knew a few people doing a particular type of art, often with mild adult content on deviantart, or in some cases not so mild, and they were able to fulfill commissions that came direct from enquiries. Those days were quite a while ago, however. That particular topic has continued to grow, despite all its stigmas though I'd imagine with growth came more artists and that likely drove prices down for most.