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Re:Why Not Mars by nine_k on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:43AM (#34216125)
There's no other point to build a self-sufficient colony on inhospitable and remote Mars. Any scientific missions require much less effort, and afford much higher dependence on supplies from Earth. They don't require a colony, they can make do with an outpost, or 100% robotic presence as now.

Of course the "other" cause may be to make a backup of the Earth civilization and humankind for a case of collapse on Earth, due to global warming, an asteroid impact that hasn't been averted, etc. But this is only possible with true material independence, such that can withstand any blockage or embargo from the Earth's side, else it won't stand the collapse on Earth. The colony may declare allegiance to a particular Earth's government, and inherit the civil norms from the culture(s) which built it, but cannot and must not be ruled from Earth.

Independence != animosity and bitter confrontation. It's more like Canada is independent from the UK, despite some formal allegiance, and the UK is not going to send troops if the Canadian parliament votes in a way that bothers the English monarch.

This is a colossal task, likely not achievable even in this century with the technology we currently have. Stuff like high-temperature atomic engines and other near-sci-fi stuff could alter the equation somehow.

Re:Why Not Mars by tsimionescu on Monday January 02, 2023 @06:29AM (#34216792)
Throughout history, empires have absolutely sent troops when their colonies started clamoring for independence. Now, if Canada wanted to get rid of Charles as head of state and leave the Commonwealth, would the UK send troops? Unlikely, as the cost of the war is very very unlikely to outweigh the benefit of maintaining largely formal control.

But, if Puerto Rico wanted to become an independent nation, do you imagine the USA would let it without trying to quash the "rebellion" with both economic and military might?

Re:Why Not Mars by jcranmer on Monday January 02, 2023 @10:56AM (#34219263)
> But, if Puerto Rico wanted to become an independent nation, do you imagine the USA would let it without trying to quash the "rebellion" with both economic and military might?

The US did it for the Federated States of Micronesia, Palau, and the Marshall Islands in recent-ish years, why wouldn't they do it for Puerto Rico if they wanted to?

Re:Why Not Mars by nine_k on Monday January 02, 2023 @05:05PM (#34224316)
I can't easily find any mentions of the US using military force to compel Palau to submit. It's independent since 1946 or so, and has a comprehensive treaty with the US. Can you please give some keywords or dates of the enforcement actions you allege to?
Re:Why Not Mars by dragonwriter on Monday January 02, 2023 @05:10PM (#34224377)
GP gave Palau, Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands as examples of territories the US allowed to become independent without trying to crush them economically or militarily, so your question seems... misplaced.
Re:Why Not Mars by nine_k on Monday January 02, 2023 @05:43PM (#34224738)
Sorry; I misunderstood the example.

My point is that letting a dependent territory go on good terms is a known practice, so thanks for the examples.