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Re:Why Not Mars by lapcat on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:25AM (#34214669)
How can you bring humans to Mars without also bringing human nature, i.e., human flaws? We'll wreck Mars quicker than Earth, because Mars is already a wreck.
Re:Why Not Mars by justinclift on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:32AM (#34215013)
Wouldn't it be more practical to do the "spreading to other worlds" thing at the same time as "fixing human nature"?

We don't know if human nature can be "fixed" (in a positive way), so stopping other things until that's been done sounds a bit silly to me.

Re:Why Not Mars by lapcat on Monday January 02, 2023 @01:48AM (#34215106)
It's not a question of starting or stopping; whether we start or stop seems irrelevant to me. The point is that humanity has been "coddled" by the Earth, because we were born and evolved here, but we won't be coddled by Mars, and thus the Mars project is doomed to failure, since we're already failing on Earth, in a vastly more favorable environment.

What's the point of a "backup plan" when the primary plan isn't even working?

Re:Why Not Mars by jsmcgd on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:02AM (#34219359)
> What's the point of a "backup plan" when the primary plan isn't even working?

The whole point of a having a backup plan is for when the primary plan isn't working :S

Re:Why Not Mars by lapcat on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:10AM (#34219492)
> The whole point of a having a backup plan is for when the primary plan isn't working

c/when/if

When your primary plan isn't working, you fix that first. Ideally, the backup plan is never needed.

If your house is on fire, you don't start building a second house, you put out the damn fire.

Also, it would be pretty dumb to put a backup in place more dangerous than the original. It would be like building your second home inside a volcano.

Re:Why Not Mars by jsmcgd on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:03AM (#34219376)
You can't wreck a wreck. Mars can only be improved by humans.
Re:Why Not Mars by lapcat on Monday January 02, 2023 @11:07AM (#34219451)
Don't underestimate human ingenuity in wrecking shit. ;-)
Re:Why Not Mars by woodruffw on Monday January 02, 2023 @12:17PM (#34220523)
This is why I always wait for red wine to dry before cleaning it off my carpet.