https://noticias.uol.com.br/eleicoes/2022/10/30/em-silencio-...
also, he did a live where he did almost nothing at all to diffuse *his supporters* ( not would-be as you say, you'reclearly biased and down playing these criminals), it was a very weak speech that made zero effect.
In a serious country like Germany, voting machines are unconstitutional due to lack of process transparency and concerns over election integrity resulted in a new election. That's how things are supposed to work. None of this "unquestionable" nonsense.
Multiple institutions verified the results of the election system. The "armed forces report" says only that they cannot prove that no fraud happened, but they failed to find a single evidence of fraud. It's important to contextualize this properly, the armed forces were fully willing to support Bolsonaro in a coup, and only gave up because he screwed up every possible internal and external support for this.
After this all attempts to "question" the electoral results were an attempt to inflame Bolsonaro supporters that were demanding a coup.
I don't even like Lula btw. But your descriptions of what is happening in Brazil are just plain wrong.
So you have nothing to say about the blatant disproportional censorship that goes on to this day? Electoral justice court judges that openly favored Lula? Who even admitted to it and were proud of their partiality?
> The "armed forces report" says only
Did you read it? The Makefile that builds the voting machine software downloads and links unaudited closed source third party libraries from the internet.
You actually trust this? I can deal with the fact laymen on social media didn't understand the problem but I sure as hell didn't expect to see Hacker News users defending this crap. Literally days ago there was news here about some compromised Python library.
Besides, they don't have to prove fraud. The mere possibility of fraud is more than enough to cast doubt on any results produced by that process. It's up to the authorities to demonstrate that it's immune to fraud. Why should a people cede power to any politician if they aren't absolutely sure the election was legit?
> the armed forces were fully willing to support Bolsonaro in a coup, and only gave up because he screwed up every possible internal and external support for this
Can you elaborate on this? Because what I saw was huge masses of people begging them to do something and being ignored. All that's left is for Lula to order the armed forces to remove the protesters like he said he would.
What support did he screw up? Because it looks like he had none to begin with. Not surprising really, Bolsonaro put his foot in his mouth on a daily basis for all 4 years of his mandate. He isolated himself from everyone.
> But your descriptions of what is happening in Brazil are just plain wrong.
And I suppose yours is better?
So you're saying that it's just your average npm project. Boring stuff.
Surely the bar for the process that determines the future of the nation ought to be a lot higher than that. Surely this is not controversial.
There was no censorship. Throwing around baseless claims of fraud in order to create an environment for a coup should definitely not be allowed.
> Did you read it? The Makefile that builds the voting machine software downloads and links unaudited closed source third party libraries from the internet.
Yes, the application uses closed-source software from 3rd party vendors. Like most software. This is not evidence of any wrongdoing.
> You actually trust this?
Yes. I use closed source 3rd party software for a lot of things, such as managing my investments, software development at work, etc.
> Besides, they don't have to prove fraud.
When they want to claim that fraud happened, they absolutely need to prove it.
Especially considering that they won the election in 2018 and many of Bolsonaro supporters were surprisingly elected, even when polls pointed that they would likely lose.
> Can you elaborate on this? Because what I saw was huge masses of people begging them to do something and being ignored.
"Huge masses" is an overstatement. It's clearly a minority of Bolsonaro's most rabid supporters.
Is MST did similar protests in highways they would be dispersed with brutality. But this time around the police and.military were full of warm fuzzy feelings towards the protesters that were claiming for a coup.
Hell the generals even sent a ridiculous "letter to the people" calling the protests legitimate, when they are blatantly illegal (there is actually a law forbidding any demands for a coup). They should all be arrested.
> What support did he screw up? Because it looks like he had none to begin with.
You are delusional. Jair had a surprisingly easy time in the first few months of government, especially considering he elected a huge amount of congressman on the wave of Bolsonarism in 2018.
But he managed to openly insult all possible countries that could support a coup - he is so retarded that managed to offend both China and USA governments many times during his ridiculous presidency. Not easy to put those two on the same side of the table. He also offended the EU multiple times.
And internally he managed to get even institutions such FEBRABAN and FIESP (that are notoriously against Lula) to distance themselves from him after that pathetic event in July when he had a meeting with a bunch of ambassadors to complain that the voting machines were untrustworthy.
> And I suppose yours is better
Absolutely.
I don't even like Lula btw. I voted for Tebet, and I am positive that Lula's 3rd term will be a disaster.
However, Bolsonaro would be even worse.