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Re:The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant by karaterobot on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:12PM (#34208931)
The practical problem is resource scarcity. We're already destroying our only planet with 7 billion people living only 72 years on average. If we manage to get through the problems we've already created, it'll be a miracle, and it is safe to say that without a lot of other problems besides longevity being solved, there is zero chance that a significantly larger population would make it.

And those problems have to be solved first, we couldn't just say "well, let's multiply the population, then figure out what to do about it later".

I'm also very skeptical that, given an indefinitely extended lifespan, people would suddenly do all of those nice-sounding things you list. More likely they'd just do the exact same things they do now, for longer.

It sort of reminds me of the philosophy around the early internet: imagine if people could get access to all information and communicate with anyone, anywhere. Imagine how smart we'll become, how civilized! That's what we thought would happen, but look at what we actually did: yell at each other and watch porn. My guess is that if we lived forever, we wouldn't suddenly become interesting, enlightened people if we weren't already.

Re:The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant by mLuby on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:37PM (#34209229)
> We're already destroying our only planet with 7 billion people living only 72 years on average.

Because we only live a short while, we don't take a long view and there's a soft cap on society's accumulated wisdom. (In a smaller scale it's like companies losing "institutional knowledge" when employees leave.) People would act differently if they knew they'd be around for 700y instead of 70.

> That's what we thought would happen [with the Internet], but look at what we actually did

You're not seriously suggesting humanity is better without the Internet…

Re:The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant by mannykannot on Sunday January 01, 2023 @02:09PM (#34209608)
> You're not seriously suggesting humanity is better without the Internet…

I cannot speak for karaterobot, but that seems to be an unwarranted inference from the post you are replying to, which merely points out that the internet did not lead to the more cooperative and altruistic world that some idealists predicted.

You posit that humanity would step up to the challenges of a ten-fold increase in longevity, but I haven't seen what I would regard as persuasive evidence for that view. The fact that the internet has been a net benefit (a view I accept) is not that evidence, IMHO.

Re:The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant by mLuby on Monday January 02, 2023 @04:06PM (#34223653)
The argument by analogy, as I understood it, was the following.

  Internet idealism : Internet negatives¹ :: longevity idealism : longevity negatives²
  ¹flaming & porn ²scarcity & overpopulation
In the context of a discussion about whether or not to undertake a societal change (widespread longevity), bringing up an example of a prior societal change (The Internet) where the result didn't live up to the ideal is more likely than not an argument against making the change in favor of maintaining the status quo (killing statistical 72 year-olds).
Re:The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant by mannykannot on Saturday January 07, 2023 @09:19AM (#34288159)
Statistical 72 year-olds? What are they? And the status quo is that they are killed? You appear to be inventing some bizarre argument that has not even been mentioned up to now.
Re:The Fable of the Dragon-Tyrant by kiba on Sunday January 01, 2023 @01:49PM (#34209365)
The practical problem is resource scarcity. We're already destroying our only planet with 7 billion people living only 72 years on average. If we manage to get through the problems we've already created, it'll be a miracle, and it is safe to say that without a lot of other problems besides longevity being solved, there is zero chance that a significantly larger population would make it.

The problem is not resource scarcity, it's pollution. For example, Americans pollute far more than Indian, despite having a smaller population.