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Re:Inequality, Interest Rates, Aging, and the Role of Centra... by WalterBright on Friday December 30, 2022 @02:34AM (#34182805)
You could imagine that a cash hoard is passed around rich people, but there's going to be someone in the chain who is going to spend it on something other than art. Because rich people simply do not hoard cash. They do not have Scrooge McDuck cash vaults.

> companies started building huge money stores.

They don't have Scrooge McDuck cash vaults, either. Their money "store" is all invested.

> You may as well hold on to it.

Even if the money is deposited in a bank, it doesn't stay in the bank. The bank loans it out. That's how banks make money. You deposit money, they loan it out to someone who pays them interest.

Re:Inequality, Interest Rates, Aging, and the Role of Centra... by zeusk on Friday December 30, 2022 @03:19AM (#34183063)
> Even if the money is deposited in a bank, it doesn't stay in the bank. The bank loans it out. That's how banks make money. You deposit money, they loan it out to someone who pays them interest.

Not really, they'd rather buy treasuries and deposit at the FED for a risk-free 4-5% return and it shows in FRED data; roughly $2.5 Trillion dollars are currently held at just Fed's overnight repo facility. In return when banks do want to lend it out, poor people (often with bad or average credit) get ludicrous interest rates like 15-25%.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RRPONTSYD

Re:Inequality, Interest Rates, Aging, and the Role of Centra... by CoolestBeans on Friday December 30, 2022 @04:57AM (#34183582)
Right so continue the money cycle. Lets say you take out a loan from the bank. There’s a low interest rate but it’s not zero so you better do something with it because you’ll have to pay the bank back. Maybe you could start a business making widgets but that’s really risky. It would be smarter to buy an appreciating asset like some real estate or maybe a share in a company. And hey a lot of people are buying assets so you know that as long as rates stay low someone else can borrow money to buy it off you at a higher price and you can pay the bank back and pocket some money. Or worst case someone with money saved might take it off your hands. Thats fine but we didn’t actually provide a good or service to the economy! All that’s happening is money is just wizzing around in equities markets inflating asset prices at best or creating dangerous bubbles at worst.

If neutral rates were higher then people with cash who want to invest would be more incentivized to buy a bond instead of a stock. But because the rate is higher the issuing company has to make at least that percentage to break even let alone make a profit. So they will need to make more widgets, which means they have to hire more people.

The down side of course is that rates are so high that companies can’t make enough money to pay back debt holders so they default and fail and have to fire everyone.

Re:Inequality, Interest Rates, Aging, and the Role of Centra... by imtringued on Friday December 30, 2022 @06:46AM (#34184168)
> rich people simply do not hoard cash.

70% of the money supply in Germany is literally sitting in checking accounts. If people actually saved money by lending it via certificate of deposits according to classical economics then this number would be much lower.

>They don't have Scrooge McDuck cash vaults, either. Their money "store" is all invested.

The parent said cash hoarder to cash hoarder and that is true when you buy stocks or art and neither consume the newly obtained money nor lend it out.

>Even if the money is deposited in a bank, it doesn't stay in the bank. The bank loans it out. That's how banks make money. You deposit money, they loan it out to someone who pays them interest.

As I said above, the money isn't lent out, new money is created with loans and the money that is being created is also kept in checking accounts so nobody is bringing their money to the bank in the way you imply. Money in checking accounts is essentially dead money. It is like the money in Scrooge McDuck's vault.

Re:Inequality, Interest Rates, Aging, and the Role of Centra... by WalterBright on Friday December 30, 2022 @01:01PM (#34187731)
Banks loan out the money that is deposited. People don't borrow money in order to let it sit in a bank account, either.
Re:Inequality, Interest Rates, Aging, and the Role of Centra... by spiralx on Saturday December 31, 2022 @08:10AM (#34196125)
No they don't, bank loans create new money directly.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/-/media/boe/files/quarterly-...