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Re:Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019) by BlargMcLarg on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @05:28AM (#34159507)
Norah Vincent basically broke her psyche trying to live as a man, and the story has barely left an impact on the status quo. Similar stories exist among transmen rather than women going incognito, even if in their case it would be to pick their poison.

The idea that there are no downsides doesn't mesh with reality.

Re:Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019) by 0ct4via on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @05:53AM (#34159666)
Norah Vincent wasn't transgender, she literally disguised herself as one to write a book. That's not remotely comparable, because it's not remotely the same thing.

People who seek medical help to transition have to go through serious and prolonged psychological analysis and discussion before even being considered for starting hormone replacement therapy.

Which "similar stories" exist for trans men (not "transmen" -- they are men, and trans is a descriptor), as you claim? Please back up your statements with evidence.

I presume GP is saying there aren't downsides for those who seriously desire to do this, rather than checks notes pretending to socially transition for the purposed of getting a book deal.

There are risks and a chance of regret with most major medical or societal changes, but the risks for legitimate trans people who don't transition, are significantly, significantly higher than any claim of regret.

The fact that you liken HRT to "picking your poison" is ignorant and disingenuous.

Re:Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019) by BlargMcLarg on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @06:16AM (#34159848)
>Norah Vincent wasn't transgender

That's what I said. "Women going incognito".

>Please back up your statements with evidence.

Spend a few days in online circles reading experiences of transmen, then do yourself another solid and spend another few days wading through online circles for men specifically. It's not too hard to see a few transitioners go "well X kinda sucked as a woman but Y definitely sucks now that I am a man".

>The fact that you liken HRT to "picking your poison" is ignorant and disingenuous

What's disingenuous is your extremely uncharitable interpretation, and I would urge you to take a step back and read with a little more favor towards the writer.

Think for a moment by bringing it back to its basis. As a woman with gender dysphoria, you have to pick between undergoing HRT and potentially having disastrous effects on your psyche, or suffering harsher consequences from your dysphoria for living as a woman.

To claim there are 'no downsides' when even the people for who the procedure exists have to pick between the lesser of two evils rather than a straight up boost, is completely off the mark. Vincent's example at least suggests women without dysphoria can't just 'live as a man for a bit' without it having downsides. Transitioners experiencing the same despite a net gain due to their unique circumstances would confirm it, more than deny it.

You fail to see that the laser focus on trans people is exactly why GP's comment doesn't mesh for the average person, as 'people who seriously desire to do this' are not necessarily people who feel uncomfortable or less comfortable with their own gender.

So please, stop making this seem like an attack on trans people. It isn't. It is merely a rebuttal against the idea that men living as women and women living as men, no further qualifiers given, only out of some 'desire to try it', has no downsides.

Re:Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019) by zoklet-enjoyer on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @07:28AM (#34160348)
I don't believe that you actually checked any notes before continuing your comment.
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Re:Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019) by 0ct4via on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @06:15AM (#34159843)
Turing was forced to take diethylstilbestrol. Ignoring the barbaric choice and nature of punishment (this was the only alternative to prison). This was at a time where homosexuality was considered a disease which would be "cured."

That aside, the implant was supposed to be removed after his sentence, but wasn't, causing longer-term effects that initially sentenced/intended.

Ignoring that he would likely not feel "better" from being trapped in prison, there is a massive difference between being forced to undergo medical treatments as part of a cruel and unusual (in hindsight, but not in law at the time) punishment, and electing to take HRT as part of a transition pathway in the modern day.

Throwaway account, ignorant bigoted comment, and /s after a shitty clueless remark. Troll harder next time.

Re:Taking Sex Differences in Personality Seriously (2019) by chownie on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @10:37AM (#34162019)
Norah Vincent had long term depression and anxiety pre-"self made man", the hysteria surrounding her euthanasia relating it back to her early 00's experimentation is completely baseless, the only sources are ladbible/facebook/etc "news" articles who themselves cite no sources.