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Re:Do scientists really need a PhD? by mjwalshe on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:11AM (#3415657)
I would argue that finding out new things or developing a new model for some systems is "science" whether it is done by a "scientist" or a "engineer"

For example you might not know that Brunell developed the design of efficient propellers for his ships.

and navvies "built" the railways Brunell just designed every thing

Re:Do scientists really need a PhD? by oldstrangers on Monday January 02, 2012 @07:20AM (#3415689)
Thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only crazy person here.