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Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by jmyeet on Monday December 26, 2022 @10:54PM (#34144904)
I disagree.

Anti-vax movements have been around for as long as there have been vaccines. The only thing that "solves" this problem is a new disease and vaccines that completely displaces the old.

Think about it: when was the last time, since the pandemic began, that you heard about autism and the MMR vaccine? that began in the late 90s (with no scientific basis I might add) and persisted for decades. Now no one talks about, thinks about or cares about it anymore. It's completely off the radar.

Covid anti-vax movements will meet the exact same fate come the next major vaccine.

Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by BryantD on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @12:37AM (#34145476)
It’s the same people, though. RFK Jr. pivoted and incorporated anti-Covid vax rhetoric into the rest of his platform, and that’s bringing the anti-Covid vax conspiracists into the autism myth fold. And the existing anti-vax community fed into QAnon, as well documented by Marc-André Argentino[1].

This is the tricky problem. Trusting the marketplace of ideas works if everyone who participates is interested in spending the time needed to evaluate claims.

[1] https://gnet-research.org/2021/03/17/pastel-qanon/

Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by jacquesm on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @12:43AM (#34145519)
And if they are acting with good intent. But some people really would like to see the world burn and there are enough of them that they can do real damage. All those conspiracies originate somewhere and quite a few of those people are well aware of the fact that what they are doing will cause damage.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by BryantD on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @10:06AM (#34149273)
I couldn’t agree more. In some cases the anti-vax movement is simply being used as a tool for power.
Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by kbelder on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @03:01AM (#34146376)
It's not all the same people, though. Anti-vax nutjobs were primarily fringe leftists, through 2019. For a few reasons, Covid policy drew a ton of fringe right-wing nutjobs into the movement.

In my experience, possibly the worst thing that was done was labeling people who argued against forced vaccination as anti-vaxxers, no matter whether they were against vaccines or not. That made a large number of reasonable people very hostile, and reasonably so; they were being declared an enemy.

Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by BryantD on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @11:00AM (#34149788)
I am not directing this at you personally, but:

Why do we have so much compassion for people arguing against forced vaccination, and yet so little compassion for people who were scared of an unknown disease and angry that people were pushing back against the best known way to slow or stop the spread?

Why is the burden of rationality on the latter group? Why don’t they get to be hostile?

Re:How Twitter Rigged the Covid Debate by mistermann on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @11:17AM (#34149955)
> Think about it: when was the last time, since the pandemic began, that you heard about autism and the MMR vaccine? that began in the late 90s (with no scientific basis I might add) and persisted for decades. Now no one talks about, thinks about or cares about it anymore. It's completely off the radar.

I encounter normies talking (inaccurately, lack of nuance, etc) about the "vaccines cause autism" meme on a regular basis.