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Re:How to Befriend Crows by lisper on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:47PM (#34139887)
Yes, of course. Your tone has to convey not only, "I am not a predator" but also "I do not perceive you as a threat, and so the purpose of my vocalization is not to scare you away because I perceive you as a threat, and if you come close I am likely to try to harm you in order to defend myself."

In nature, the Bayesian prior on an entity that is not a member of your species, or even your tribe, seeking an interaction with you that will ultimately be to your benefit is very, very low.

Re:How to Befriend Crows by 082349872349872 on Monday December 26, 2022 @01:09PM (#34140138)
> the Bayesian prior ... is very, very low.

Felis Catus: OK, stubclaws, listen up. You're going to toil the fields and by the sweat of your brow fill up a barn to attract my mice. Got that? Agriculture, Architecture, the works? Good. I'd explain to you how to make laser pointers for chasing, but I doubt you'd understand ... your kind always has to work things out for themselves, anyway. Now go forth and do your best to hold this covenant, you inflexible hairless monkey.

Re:How to Befriend Crows by lisper on Monday December 26, 2022 @01:42PM (#34140458)
You owe me a new keyboard ;-)
Re:How to Befriend Crows by tareqak on Monday December 26, 2022 @07:35PM (#34143503)
Felis Catus: Correction, human. It was always my keyboard. You were just using it without my permission, and I reappropriated it when I felt like it. Now, go get me some wet cat food for your slanderous outburst before I send you to the cat food factory permanently.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by polishdude20 on Monday December 26, 2022 @06:03PM (#34142919)
Is this from a book?
Re:How to Befriend Crows by numeri on Monday December 26, 2022 @06:45PM (#34143206)
I'd read it, if so!
Re:How to Befriend Crows by 082349872349872 on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @01:07AM (#34145690)
Sorry, nope. Had one of my replies called a "nonsensical answer produced by an AI" in a different thread, so I done did my best to outpace the machine with that one.

  When 082... was jus' a little baby, sittin' on their papa's knee
  Well they picked up a keyboard and a little CRT
  Said keyboard gon' be the death of me, lord, lord
  Keyboard gon' be the death of me
https://youtu.be/lY_s42QvOTs?t=50
Re:How to Befriend Crows by maxbond on Monday December 26, 2022 @01:56PM (#34140589)
Hummingbirds I've noticed are very curious about other creatures. To a fault even, mantises will sometimes exploit this to catch hummingbirds (they are much more powerful than you might expect).
Re:How to Befriend Crows by anthomtb on Monday December 26, 2022 @03:37PM (#34141577)
I have noticed this about hummingbirds as well. We have a feeder on our deck and if you are out there when they are feeding expect to receive an inspection. I like to think the thought in their brain is “are you a flower?”

I’ve also had a hummingbird come within a few centimeters of landing on my hand while mounting biking (stopped, of course). I credit my new-at-the-time bright red gloves for that interaction.

Re:How to Befriend Crows by bbarnett on Monday December 26, 2022 @04:19PM (#34142001)
Most hummingbirds are opportunistic eaters, and also eat insects.

Such as knats and such, which love humans.

So they may be looking for a meal, too.

Re:How to Befriend Crows by dreamcompiler on Monday December 26, 2022 @05:31PM (#34142644)
I can go outside holding a feeder and as long as I stand still, after about a minute the hummers will feed while I'm holding the thing. Brave little birds.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by dtgriscom on Monday December 26, 2022 @08:45PM (#34144014)
Nasty little birds. We put out a feeder, and they battle each other for it, even when there's plenty for all. It's a good thing they don't decide to gang up on humans; they could do a lot of damage while we're still looking at where they were a hundred wingbeats ago.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by mark-r on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:35PM (#34145141)
I saw a hummingbird attack a squirrel once. Nasty indeed. I suspect the squirrel was getting a little too close to its nest.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by yareally on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @01:21PM (#34151791)
Squirrels are cute, but they'll happily steal the eggs or hatchlings out of the nest if given the chance.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by maxbond on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @12:35PM (#34151161)
Different species, perhaps different groups within a species, behave differently. I've heard of this but never seen it.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by fossuser on Monday December 26, 2022 @05:39PM (#34142709)
My sister had one land on her finger and point with its head to which flowers it wanted her to move her hand to. This was without a feeder, but in an area with lots of people around (at a winery).
Re:How to Befriend Crows by quercusa on Monday December 26, 2022 @05:52PM (#34142823)
We used to have one that would hover in front of our kitchen window when the feeder (at the other end of the house) was empty.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by Sylamore on Wednesday December 28, 2022 @12:13AM (#34157752)
Growing up my great grandmother kept about 3 dozen hummingbird feeders near her back porch at her farm so she could watch the hummingbirds as they fed. She easily went through 4 gallons of sugar water per day. I was told as a kid that she had been documented as having altered the migration paths of several flocks of hummingbirds because she had been maintaining her feeders for over 30 years at the time of her death and they would remember where her farm was.

They would flit past your head when you went out to refill them, but they seldom went more than a few feet away. You could stand under under the feeders and after a few minutes, if you were calm enough, they would start be willing to land on you and rest, or lick off any syrup you had gotten on your hands.

Re:How to Befriend Crows by Retric on Monday December 26, 2022 @06:11PM (#34142976)
There are quite a few symbiotic relationships in nature.

There are several examples where small birds, mammals, fish, or even some invertebrates clean much larger animals. The exchange straightforward, large animal gets clean smaller one eats the parasites, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaning_symbiosis

Re:How to Befriend Crows by lisper on Monday December 26, 2022 @06:15PM (#34143011)
> There are quite a few symbiotic relationships in nature.

Yes, of course, but unless such a relationship is already established the odds are very much against a random encounter between different species being mutually beneficial.

Re:How to Befriend Crows by Retric on Monday December 26, 2022 @06:26PM (#34143085)
The interesting bit around cleaning is the relationships are between individual animals rather than being species wide. Some species of fish for example will mix in removal of parasites with drinking some blood and larger animals eating the cleaners also happens.
Re:How to Befriend Crows by jakzurr on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:48PM (#34145208)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_cleanerfish

These things are incredible. (Or incredibly mean?)