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Re:Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth i... by mindslight on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:35PM (#34139765)
> Given I sleep most nights in a hammock in woods backpacking and travel around nonstop, and have no trouble in sub-zero wilderness, I have definitely opted out of housing

Okay, I do agree this qualifies as opting out of the housing market.

> Believe it or not, people with ethics and willpower to follow through still exist

Sure. I'm there myself on a few topics, and have lived them for quite some time. But you need to understand that this puts you at odds with 99% of society, and as such your example isn't going to be found as actionable advice by the sheer majority of people - even people who agree with you 90% of the way.

Do you mind sharing your numbers? If I just spitball with a 10kBTU/hr design load, a heat pump COP of 3, and assume that your heating requirements are taken care of by that design load for 8 hours at night, that's still like 3 Powerwalls. I'd say there are better ways to spend those resources, especially considering that batteries wear out like everything else.

Re:Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth i... by survirtual on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:57PM (#34140006)
I’d have to find my notes on the topic, but if memory serves for the results, I was targeting 200kWh of battery with a ~1000sqft space. I can’t recall my calculations on the number of panels because I was later working on another design for mobile use with my car, but I do remember it being around $20k-$30k in panels alone to do what I wanted. Panel efficiency and price has gone down since then, so I would expect that price to be lower now. I wanted enough generation to simultaneously charge two EVs as well as be capable of heating a space. I was planning on doing all the labor myself so that is not in the numbers for cost.

All things told I was prepared to spend around $75k on electrical to make this happen in a remote location, which seemed reasonable to me given the capabilities & stability I would get in return. It is not something most people could afford, but most people here on HN probably could which is why I mentioned it.

Re:Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth i... by Someone on Monday December 26, 2022 @02:04PM (#34140668)
Did you consider how that would do in a week-long storm that deposits a foot or more of snow on your panels?

For emergencies, I think I would put more trust in a low-tech wood burner, moving extra wood in-house whenever there’s a serious storm forecast.

Re:Thousands trapped on Pine Ridge burn clothes for warmth i... by mindslight on Monday December 26, 2022 @05:25PM (#34142578)
Well, I apologize for what I originally said because it seems you have seriously run the numbers out. On its own that still seems like a massive amount of battery for a single dwelling, but hard to put into context without other numbers (design heating load, electrical load, atrophy over time, oversized for slower wear, etc)

Still, in general it seems like the ultimate design constraint is always low probability events adding up - eg solar generation getting severely cut for a week, due to snow on the panels and cloudy days or hardware failure, coupled with many cold nights in a row. For which a fall back to a more traditional denser energy source (wood or gasoline) that you'd end up using every few years comes in much cheaper than trying to oversize the primary battery storage to handle every long tail event.