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Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by mactavish88 on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:15AM (#34137737)
So this is exactly the perspective I’m looking for from HN.

If my post (which clearly wasn’t for or against the linked material) was not immediately flagged and killed then it would’ve been possible to actually solicit this kind of perspective.

But if my post is immediately killed then I never get to see this kind of insight.

Hence my question about whether there’s a better model than simply flagging content, as HN currently works.

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:19AM (#34137764)
Why should we be doing the work for you?
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by mactavish88 on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:25AM (#34137803)
Who said you had to do the work?

If this was a topic that was somehow discussed previously, should there not be some kind of mechanism to indicate this in the flagging process? (Ideally automated)

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:27AM (#34137821)
Clintel was even in the news cycle a few years ago and you submit it without even googling it before? You impute that I have a particular stance on climate change, but I honestly believe you have because no person without an agenda would play naive like you.

I myself just hate misinformation and people that share and play victim when nobody engages with it.

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by mactavish88 on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:34AM (#34137867)
I get literally nothing from the news search in DuckDuckGo when I search for “clintel”

It still seems you assume I have a particular agenda here beyond wanting to have a conversation on the topic.

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by mactavish88 on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:45AM (#34137968)
I get none of those links on the first page. It took several pages of search results before I started seeing any of the links you’ve shared here.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:57AM (#34138058)
Now you are just lying...

DuckDuckGo doesn't profile its users according to their search patterns, and everyone gets the same search results. [1]

[1] https://spreadprivacy.com/google-filter-bubble-study/

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by mactavish88 on Monday December 26, 2022 @10:56AM (#34138667)
Here you go, my first page of hits on mobile: https://imgur.com/a/zSL5fVX

Only when I got to my laptop now did the set of links differ: https://imgur.com/a/EuUt7U5

Clearly not the same set of results for the same search.

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Monday December 26, 2022 @11:20AM (#34138961)
See that's another you problem you changed something and now your search results are distorted. Here are screenshots from 5 different VPN locations with different browsers and different user agents... https://imgur.com/a/P4zoAzf
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by Gunnerhead on Monday December 26, 2022 @09:11PM (#34144213)
Can you please no say things such as “you also play blind”? You’re being mean and snarky, completely violating HN guidelines. We can all benefit from kind and helpful interactions, that’s what makes this website great.

“Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Edit out swipes.” [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @01:10AM (#34145706)
If someone argues in good faith I would probably do it but he is clearly trying to gaslight here. Or do you believe DDG is jeopardizing an essential part of their search business just to fuck with him?
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by Gunnerhead on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @01:33AM (#34145837)
I think we should give everyone the benefit of the doubt and be kind.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Tuesday December 27, 2022 @04:11AM (#34146902)
You are right, it is important to approach them with an open mind and to give others the benefit of the doubt. However, if someone begins to engage in gaslighting tactics, it becomes necessary to confront and challenge their behavior in order to prevent them from manipulating and distorting the conversation. Gaslighting is a harmful and insidious form of manipulation that seeks to undermine the credibility and reality of others, and it is essential to stand up to it in order to maintain the integrity and honesty of the discussion. By actively and assertively addressing gaslighting, we can create a safer and more respectful space for open and honest discourse even if being assertive means writing less candid than usual.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by whythre on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:31PM (#34139739)
I am trying not to read this with hostile intent, but seriously, why discuss or ask anything if the OP could just be told to do the mental legwork themselves? Sometimes outside perspective is helpful.
Re:Ask HN: Is there a better model than flagging? by theCrowing on Monday December 26, 2022 @12:53PM (#34139961)
I perceive the lack of basic research or education on a subject as a sign of hostile intent especially when an individual creates a thread and expresses their views vehemently without proper knowledge or understanding. It's not even a topic (HN moderation) that is hard to research, he just didn't. 1-2 hours after he submitted the thread, he pivoted to his UX argument which makes even less sense because that's fundamentally his problem he needs to understand the site he is on, and he didn't even know about the "showdead" switch in the profile view. Which means in close to 4 years he didn't even read the FAQ...