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Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by loeg on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:04PM (#34108792)
Extending a large unsecured personal bond to a fraudster seems pretty useless and I think laypeople can recognize that.
Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by dragonwriter on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:15PM (#34108914)
> Extending a large unsecured personal bond to a fraudster seems pretty useless and I think laypeople can recognize that.

Almost like there is a reason this is partially secured, not personal (there are additional sureties), and comes with extensive non-financial conditions.

Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by tiahura on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:14PM (#34108896)
Hence, the ankle monitor and his parents’ house.

And judge, don’t forget, Mr. SBF voluntarily waived extradition.

Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by loeg on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:46PM (#34109253)
His parents' house is the secured portion of the bond! It's $4M, which is a lot, but nothing compared to the unsecured $246M IOU.
Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by dragonwriter on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:51PM (#34109315)
Its not an IOU. Bail is not a loan. People often have the model that the premium paid to an arms-length bail agent is a finance charge on a loan, which is (1) not strictly true, because bail agents don't deposit the full bail with the court and get it back, (2) to the extent it is, while not accurate, a not-too-bad loose approximation of how doing business with a bail agent works, since a bail agent is a for-profit business weighing the risk of flight and the cost of recovery and/or bail forfeiture, within state regulations.

But that's not what courts are trying to do with bail, so when you have a bond that isn't from a bail agent, the model that is tolerably-incorrect in the bail agent case becomes wildly inapplicable.

Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by loeg on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:47PM (#34110969)
> Its not an IOU. Bail is not a loan.

It becomes an IOU if he skips on his court appearance, no? That is, the potential penalty here is an IOU. (You have even described it as a "promise to pay" earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34100971 ) Yes, if he shows up to court, no one pays $250M and everything is great. We are talking about the penalty if he skips. No one has deposited $250M with the courts to be returned when SBF shows up for trial. If he does skips on his court appearance, I find it difficult to believe that anyone will successfully recover anything like $250M from SBF and parents. Which begs the question of what the point of a $250M figure is.

The rest of your comment is just not responsive to my comment? You have replied to several of my comments talking about people in the abstract having "misconceptions" around bail agents, and these responses are wholly unrelated to my remarks, which do not mention bail agents at all and are not about bail agents. So I would appreciate it if you would respond with more specific arguments and leave out the fluff.

Re:Bankman-Fried's Shrinking ‘$250M Bond’ by strangattractor on Friday December 23, 2022 @01:42PM (#34109223)
Basically they can ruin his parents if he skips - take everything they own and any bitcoin or other assets up to $250 mil if they find it. They are betting he will not do that. They are trying to publicly appear to be aggressive.