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Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by masklinn on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:11AM (#34078775)
> Kotlin might fit the Java niche, if you trust someone that sells IDEs to make a language.

They would at least know how to make a language that's not a pain in the ass to analyse, which is probably in its favour.

Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by the_gipsy on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:21AM (#34078834)
Yea - but that's offered by all modern languages, and they're not tied to one particular IDE since LSP took off.
Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by masklinn on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:24AM (#34078851)
> that's offered by all modern languages

I see you've yet to meet Scala.

> they're not tied to one particular IDE since LSP took off.

There's at least one language server for Kotlin.

I'm not even a interested in (let alone a user of) Kotlin, but you seem to have a very not-objective view of it for some reason.

Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by the_gipsy on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @05:55AM (#34079042)
Are you saying Scala has bad code analysis? I recall it being as good as Java's. Anyway, that's just a matter of defining "modern languages" then.

> There's at least one language server for Kotlin.

I didn't say there is none, I said that any modern language has one. An IDE is not a selling point anymore, in my humble opinion.

> you seem to have a very not-objective view of it for some reason

I just think that shoehorning Kotlin into "the go niche" is absurd , and that the "good code analysis" argument is moot.

Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by shakow on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:12AM (#34081674)
> I just think that shoehorning Kotlin into "the go niche" is absurd

That's what you say, but you don't really tell us why.

Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by the_gipsy on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @10:47AM (#34082175)
It's not my burden of proof. If you think something like compiling kotlin instead of running a JVM is akin to compiling with go tooling, then at this point anything that somehow compiles to native (and beyond) is in the "go niche".
Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by masklinn on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @12:12PM (#34083394)
> It's not my burden of proof.

You're the one asserting that it's unsuitable. So it very much is.

> If you think something like compiling kotlin instead of running a JVM is akin to compiling with go tooling, then at this point anything that somehow compiles to native (and beyond) is in the "go niche".

I don't know about the other commenters, but that's literally the only criteria you've deigned offer so far, aside from some sort of conspiratorial implications.

Re:Hacking the Golang Runtime with Genereics by the_gipsy on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @12:34PM (#34083710)
So if I say <any language> is in go's niche, it's your burden to disprove it?

Look, this is getting ridiculous. Go offers easy+fast tooling out of the box. Any JVM language, compiled or not, will never be anywhere NEAR go's tooling in those terms. The extra compilation layer just makes it actually much worse.

And I don't even find go particularly appealing.