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Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by eyelidlessness on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @01:59AM (#34077519)
The humans making the cost/benefit analysis are largely the ones whose cost is actually external. I certainly wouldn’t do the same math, but I’m not casually enriching myself by making people sick. The people who buy their products are largely their victims, not their accomplices.

Nearly everyone does NOT own the means of production, and the few who do know exactly what’s wrong and keep on doing it to everyone but themselves until they’re forced to stop. Maybe someday we’ll realize that too.

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Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by bwi4 on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @02:12AM (#34077596)
Technically, Blackrock and Vanguard own the means of production. We gave them the capital to do so through our pensions and 401(k)s. My 401(k) menu doesn't include ESG funds, but those that exist have higher expenses and lower performance than an indiscriminate index fund. If the regulators have been captured by lobbying and revolving doors to industry, the only option left is to vote with your wallet, but that's easier said than done.
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Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by eyelidlessness on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @02:21AM (#34077641)
> the only option left is to vote with your wallet

I know it’s not popular here but I’ll say it: class analysis. You can vote with your fingers and bones. You can vote with your personal dignity. Your investment portfolios are just part of capitalism and it isn’t predestined.

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Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by maeln on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @04:09AM (#34078331)
And voting with your wallet means that if you are poor, you have no voice.
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Re:3M to end 'forever chemicals' output at cost of up to $2.3B by triceratops on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @11:28AM (#34082765)
Divestment without regulations doesn't work. You dumping your polluting investments is just someone else's opportunity to pick them up for cheap and make a profit.

Voting with your wallet is noble, but pointless. Vote with your actual vote.

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