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Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by thegrimmest on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @09:58AM (#34066739)
> Liberty consists in the freedom to do everything which injures no one else; hence the exercise of the natural rights of each man has no limits except those which assure to the other members of the society the enjoyment of the same rights. These limits can only be determined by law.

Point being that liberty itself is a value that it is reasonable to optimize over negative utilitarianism.

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Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by bombolo on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @11:02AM (#34067758)
> Law can only prohibit such actions as are hurtful to society.

Willfully becoming a homeless drifter is in fact hurtful to society :)

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Re:Did Insurance Fire Brigades let uninsured buildings burn? by thegrimmest on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:35PM (#34069224)
This is actually the main point of contention. Prior to United States v. Butler, the government's power to provide general welfare was limited/narrowly interpreted. Whether individual liberty supersedes general welfare or vice versa is the main disagreement. My point is only that reasonable people can disagree about this.
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