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Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by commoner on Monday December 19, 2022 @08:19AM (#34051684)
The CEO's statement (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288) interpreted the deleted policy to mean that occasionally sharing links to other social media platforms is "fine". The suspended account's tweet did not even include a link to Mastodon, it only mentioned that a Mastodon account exists without directly naming the handle. Because the tweet did even less than what the CEO claimed was "fine", the suspension was unjustified.

You are inventing a completely different definition of "ban evasion" that has not been used in any Twitter policy page to try to justify the suspension, even after the suspension has been reversed for its unreasonableness.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by garbagetime on Monday December 19, 2022 @03:22PM (#34057143)
If you read carefully the thread you linked you will see that Elon affirmed the following statement:

> You just can’t create or turn (my emphasis) your account into a free advertising unit for one of the listed competing platforms.

This is what PG was doing (you can argue that he actually wasn't - but he was according to Elon's standards, which is the important sense). One Tweet buried deep in a thread that could possibly be misinterpreted to support your position is not convincing.

I am not "inventing a new definition of ban evasion". I am using simple English words in a straight-forward way.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by commoner on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @11:28AM (#34068157)
> I am not "inventing a new definition of ban evasion".

Yes, you are. You've already admitted that your novel definition of "ban evasion" is not the usual use of the phrase (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34047933) and that the phrase typically refers to something completely different (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34045113). Twitter's own definition of "ban evasion" differs from what you are claiming the phrase to mean (https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/ban-evasion).

> I am using simple English words in a straight-forward way.

No, you are taking a phrase that already has a defined meaning in the context of Twitter and making up a new definition for it to attempt to justify the suspension. "Ban evasion" is the circumvention of an existing ban or suspension. It is not something that can be done by an account that is not already suspended or banned.

I have no idea why you are continuing to defend this unjustifiable suspension even after Twitter has already reversed it.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by garbagetime on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @02:27PM (#34071095)
The situation is very simple:

1. PG broke Twitter's rules

2. Twitter suspended PG's account

3. Twitter changed its rules

4. Twitter reinstated PG's account

Whether you like my use of the words 'ban' and 'evasion' ultimately isn't super relevant to my point.

I'm not 'defending' Twitter's actions. I'm interpreting reality. I'm discussing a matter of fact. Did PG break Twitter's rules? Yes.

HN has an infinite track record of being very wrong. I take my comment being flagged as a much greater endorsement of it than had it been "upvoted".

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by commoner on Wednesday December 21, 2022 @03:37AM (#34078146)
The account did not break Twitter's rules.

- The tweet did not link to Mastodon.

- The tweet did not name a Mastodon handle.

- The tweet is not similar to any of the examples provided in the deleted policy (“follow me @username on Instagram”, “[email protected]”, “check out my profile on Facebook - facebook.com/username”).

- The tweet did not bypass restrictions on external links via means such as URL cloaking or plaintext obfuscation, with the example provided being “instagram dot com/username”.

- The CEO of Twitter stated that "casually sharing external links" to competing platforms is "fine" within the deleted policy: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604593057676300288

Even though the account did not break Twitter's rules, you believe that it should have broken Twitter's rules because it said something that doesn't contribute to Twitter's business prospects. This is what you are erroneously using the phrase "ban evasion" to describe, even though Twitter's policy on ban evasion (https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/ban-evasion) defines it as something done only by accounts that were previously banned or suspended.

HN does have it right this time. HN users are fully capable of seeing that the definition of "ban evasion" that you invented specifically for your argument does not match the definition used in https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/ban-evasion.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by garbagetime on Saturday December 24, 2022 @12:58AM (#34114415)
Using a hyperlink is not neccessary to break the rule. Naming a Mastodon account (or any account) is not neccesary to break the rule. Breaking the rule in the same way that it was broken in the examples given is not neccesary to break the rule. Elon stated in various places that attempts such as PG's to break the rule (which is about the promotion of prohibited social media) without getting banned would not be tolerated. In one instance he referred to such an attempt as 'ban evasion' (this was in a Twitter space, I'll find it when I'm back at my PC).

Elon's phrase "casual sharing" is not inclusive of PG apparently denouncing Twitter and promoting his Mastodon account in its place. PG's Tweet was anything but casual. If PG had linked to some post he found interesting that happened to be on Mastadon, that might qualify as casual.

I never claimed that my use of the phrase 'ban evasion' matched the use in the Twitter user agreement. HN and I are in agreement on that count (as I have stated elsewhere in this thread).

Frankly, you have bad reading comprehension, most likely due to motivated interpretation i.e. you tend to see what you want to be there rather than what is actually there.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by commoner on Sunday December 25, 2022 @02:29AM (#34125185)
> Elon stated in various places that attempts such as PG's to break the rule (which is about the promotion of prohibited social media) without getting banned would not be tolerated.

This sentence represents the problem with your argument. What is an "attempt to break the rule without getting banned" supposed to mean? You either break the rule or you don't. And this account didn't.

You resorting to personal attacks shows that you have lost the argument. I am disengaging. Merry Christmas.

Re:Twitter Suspends PG's Account by garbagetime on Sunday December 25, 2022 @04:27AM (#34125640)
If a person can read he should be able to see that PG's Tweet broke the rule. There's nothing too complicated about it - the rule clearly stated that X was not allowed, and PG did X.

You seem like someone who can read, so the charatable interpretation is that there is some kind of mental block that's stopping you from seeing the clear truth.

If you want to stop talking, OK. Either way I hope you have a merry Christmas.