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Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by pjc50 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:29PM (#34040826)
Destroying Twitter, or at least rendering it unusable by its current audience, is clearly the objective. I'm not entirely sure why but it seems to be to "own the libs".
Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by smoldesu on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:42PM (#34041091)
Destroying Twitter should be a liberal effort. It's frankly sickening to step back and consider how much influential public discourse took place on a private platform. If you're a classical liberal, implementing protocols like ActivityPub is essential to promote competition across apps and platforms. Even if you're a conservative, it should be readily apparent how centralizing our communications power is a bad idea.

Whatever the case, it's clear that Twitter is beyond the pale now. Our only option is building a better world, there's no hope in putting the pieces back together like they used to be.

Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by pjc50 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:47PM (#34041176)
If you're a "classical liberal", whatever that means, surely you're not in favour of randomly destroying things that work and that people are happily using, by state action, in favour of an unpopular alternative?
Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by smoldesu on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:54PM (#34041288)
The random destruction is already done by the market. We gave them an opportunity to out-innovate each other and now it's a warzone. Do we set things straight or let opportunists pick up the pieces? It doesn't really matter to me, but I think the liberal sentiment favors a corrected implementation.

Elon plays a mean game, but it's a board we built and he's using rules we made. IMO, the proper response is not to change the rules, but use powerful technology to make his control irrelevant. Writing bespoke legislation for Twitter is truly unthinkable, there are better ways to approach this.

Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by ancapsfascists on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:58PM (#34041363)
Classical liberals are typified by Reagan style republicans and the current democratic party - business first, pro capital, infinite growth party.
Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by klabb3 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:38PM (#34041948)
That’s… called neoconservatism (and weirdly neoliberalism is a basically a synonym). Classical liberalism is closer to libertarianism, is usually against government involvement in private matters. Those ideas are much older and came before McDonalds, Goldman Sachs, Cayman Islands, quantitative easing, and trillion dollar bailouts type of economic system of today. Sure, Reagan and current day republicans steal rhetoric from classical liberalism all the time, but the political-economic system is unrecognizable.

The “big corporation-style” capitalism is definitely a new flavor, and unfortunately that’s seen as centrism today, adopted by moderates of all political sides across the western world and even beyond.

Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by hairofadog on Sunday December 18, 2022 @01:45PM (#34041137)
Maybe, but I don't feel particularly owned. This feels more like a neighbor had a confederate flag up, and the neighborhood asked him to take it down, so he burned his own house down to spite everyone. I guess you showed us, weird combative neighbor!
Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by klabb3 on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:21PM (#34041715)
Haha yeah it does have a strong “hurr durr jokes on you I was only pretending to be retarded” vibe. And I was never even on the anti-Elon bandwagon.

Maybe earlier in his life people could tell him to sit down and behave. But at a certain point of fame, you’ll have a set of loyal yes men in your circle independent of your actions who religiously validate everything you do and say. It’s a dream for narcissists, but also their demise. The danger of yes men is they lower the signal-to-noise ratio making it really difficult to orient yourself accurately in the outside world.

Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by absolutelymild on Sunday December 18, 2022 @02:38PM (#34041955)
> rendering it unusable by its current audience

Since journalists are so overrepresented on twitter, I’ve been wondering if undermining them is a goal here? Business people and conservatives are generally pretty hostile to journalism. It would be a pretty big coup for them if the NYT, Wapo, etc lost eyeballs because Twitter went down the tubes.

Is that worth biting tens of billions on? Probably not. But I’m sure Elon and David Sacks wouldn’t shed any tears if all the preachy lib journalists just disappeared one day!

Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by rsynnott on Sunday December 18, 2022 @03:17PM (#34042603)
I don’t really buy that there _is_ a master plan. I suspect everyone has just been telling him he’s a magical super-genius for so long that he’s started to believe it, so obviously Twitter would be easy.
Re:Promotion of alternative social platforms policy by prawn on Sunday December 18, 2022 @07:43PM (#34046565)
Yeah, I think this is a singular personality with outsized influence rather than an intentional playbook. And it's not that everyone's been telling him he's magic, but that his personality desires that feedback and that it's increasingly coming not from everyone but from a subset. If a solid part of that subset is let-it-burn/popcorn agitators, well, good luck! The plight of a $40B investment is somewhat in the hands therefore of people using the results as free entertainment.