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Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by next_xibalba on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:09AM (#34028991)
This is shocking news to me. How many extra votes does Rupert Murdoch get? What is the exchange rate from dollars to votes, precisely?
Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by Devasta on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:39AM (#34029343)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27s_The_Sun_Wot_Won_It

Murdoch's own papers claim credit for election victories. I don't know the exact conversion rate from dollars to votes, but it's absurd to suggest one doesn't exist and that Murdoch's organizations don't know what it is.

Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by sopooneo on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:10AM (#34029000)
I don't know these numbers, but I bet someone on Murdoch's staff does, at a statistical level.
Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by flanflan on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:22AM (#34029138)
is this a serious comment? Rupert murdoch is a global media baron, he literally owns news outlets that encourage people to vote in one way or another. Do you think those news outlets are free of his ideology? do you think the washington post is free of Bezos' ideology?

Even billionaires and millionaires who dont own media companies have outsized influence. They can fund politicians they prefer to an extent that a rival might not be able to match. They can pay for lobbyists. There are a myriad of ways that dollars turn into votes without a mustachioed man walking around with a bag of money being involved. Mass movements aside the working class isnt out there propping up politicians.

Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by next_xibalba on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:28AM (#34029197)
So are you saying Rupert Murdoch gets multiple ballots when visits the polling place?

You are sloppily equating "one man, one vote" and "political sway". Further, Murdoch, via his media outlets, does not directly control any voter. Does he influence voters? Without a doubt. But there is no Fox News rep checking voters ballots to ensure rightvote.

> myriad of ways that dollars turn into votes

'What is the conversion rate? What are the specific mechanics? Whose speech should we limit in order to limit political sway? How do we avoid violating the 1st amendment in doing so?

Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by flanflan on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:35AM (#34029289)
Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by next_xibalba on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:43AM (#34029405)
You haven't presented any evidence. So I'm not sure how this is "pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed".

Do you think it uncivil to ask people to justify their claims with evidence?

Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by pretendscholar on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:02PM (#34030366)
Ask a serious question then.
Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by skummetmaelk on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:16AM (#34029067)
Is this sarcasm? I actually cannot tell.
Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by next_xibalba on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:25AM (#34029173)
It is. The parent to which I'm replying is engaging in lazy, conspiratorial thinking and illogical rhetoric.

They write:

> One man one vote may be true in theory

But then:

> but in practice Rupert Murdoch has fat more political sway than anyone on this thread precisely because of his wealth

So they equate "one man one vote" to "political sway", two very different things. Nowhere is equal "political sway" enshrined in the U.S. Constitution. Whereas, "one man, one vote" is, absolutely. And "one man, one vote" is not theoretical. It is literally in force and practiced.

Re:As unions decline, inequality rises by greenie_beans on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:50AM (#34029500)
lol who's gonna tell them