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Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by NelsonMinar on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:05PM (#34024511)
There's an odd new risk for startups: someone buys your company and then releases all the internal documents with hostile intent. The Twitter stuff that's come out now has been pretty uninteresting, surprising and often basically telling a story of people doing the best job they could in difficult circumstances. But if you are at a small company consider what all could be acquired and used to defame your employees and mission.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:11PM (#34024549)
The thing to really worry about is that someone like Musk has direct access to all of your DMs, including those of politicians the world over.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by briandear on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:25PM (#34024642)
Someone like Zuckerberg has access to your data as well. And what about the government having access to DMs? That’s far scarier. Has Snowden not taught us anything? We are only just now worried about this? Complaining about Musk without complaining about Zuckerberg or the government is just hypocrisy.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:31PM (#34024683)
I guarantee that someone like Zuckerberg does not have access to my data.

And the moment it became inevitable that Musk took over Twitter I deleted my account. And that was one of many reasons.

The only two social media sites that I partake in are HN and up to Elons acquisition Twitter and that is because I had/have a fairly high degree of faith in their ability to at least try to do the right thing. With Musk, Zuckerberg and several others I have the conviction that given the opportunity that they will do the wrong thing.

Would you bet that Musk has not already abused his position to gain information from private communications on Twitter?

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by dmix on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:28PM (#34024664)
He means someone who doesn't share your political perspective. Not someone with actual threat of force.

We haven't seen Twitter arbitrarily leak DMs yet. Even Matt Taibbi said they only have access to screenshots of admin interfaces directly related to their specific stories around uncritical FBI/DHS access, shadowbanning for questionable political purposes, and the whole Trump thing. It's far from the ideological free-for-all people are comparing it to (how it was before).

But Elon has already shown he's willing to play dangerous games with his power. So far we haven't seen the FUDy stuff yet beyond the stupid new doxxing rule for which he's burned tons of good will. Nothing comes without costs.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:31PM (#34024687)
Until they get hacked. The chances of which are going up by the day.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by dmix on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:40PM (#34024750)
Insider leaks would be a higher risks given Twitter is still in SF. But ultimately the public benefits from open information right?

Unless you mean purposeful 'hacks' with a specific agenda that only leaks private DMs of a select group? Yes, that would be bad.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:58PM (#34024877)
> A hacker pulling off an exfiltration of the entire DB of any major tech company I'm very skeptical about that happening.

Under normal circumstances I would agree, but after firing so many people I can't imagine that security at Twitter is still priority #1, they likely have trouble keeping the lights on.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by dmix on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:02AM (#34024899)
That would be the cherry on top of all this drama
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:48AM (#34025187)
I would not at all be surprised. At the rate Twitter is going down the drain you can expect anything, up to and including their hardware being sold at auction to the highest bidder, with some bad luck harddrives included.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by cocacola1 on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:30PM (#34024677)
We're eventually going to get to so many caveats and inclusions in sentences, it's going to be impossible to read.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by themitigating on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:29PM (#34024665)
That's not hypocrisy at all.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by Lendal on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:50PM (#34024821)
What's really worrying to me is that he can change those DMs to say whatever suits his fancy, coupled with the fact nobody remaining at Twitter is in any position to blow the whistle on such conduct. It would likely remain secret indefinitely.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:59PM (#34024884)
I had not even considered that, good point, data integrity is not to be expected going forward. This also puts a rather interesting twist on any of the evidence presented.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by hgfdhgdhg on Saturday December 17, 2022 @05:28AM (#34026586)
Why was data integrity expected going backward?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:18AM (#34029092)
In between there was a change of management. If you failed to notice that why are you commenting in this thread?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by RetpolineDrama on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:53PM (#34024844)
>What's really worrying to me is that he can change those DMs to say whatever suits his fancy,

I mean NSA has had this capability for 25 years.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by Lendal on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:37AM (#34029315)
Really? News to me. If NSA has had this secret ability, and if it is indeed a secret, how is it that some random person knows all about it and now feels perfectly safe revealing it on a public web site? Changing data in real time on private databases goes way beyond traffic monitoring & intelligence-gathering.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by TheHappyOddish on Saturday December 17, 2022 @05:25AM (#34026567)
As opposed to those who had access to them previously?

They were never "your" DMs.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Saturday December 17, 2022 @11:18AM (#34029084)
The people who had access to them previously had a modicum of ethics, the current management not so much.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by TheHappyOddish on Monday December 19, 2022 @06:31PM (#34059396)
That seems to be wishful thinking, not a fact based statement.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by NelsonMinar on Saturday December 17, 2022 @10:47AM (#34028720)
I worry about this risk a lot. There is no way to delete DMs on Twitter; even if you delete them they stay in the system so the other side of the conversation has them. To folks below saying "that was always true", yes, but I trusted the previous management of Twitter to not snoop on my private DMs. I do not trust the current owner the same way.

(I had a typo in my original comment btw; I said "surprising" but meant "unsurprising".)

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by protastus on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:39PM (#34024743)
Corporate records and correspondence can be made public due to a lawsuit. So the risk of disclosure isn't new, and anyone should consider it whether they work at a startup or at a large company.

Just another incentive to act with integrity and keep personal correspondence out of corporate systems.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:47AM (#34025175)
Excellent advice.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by cauch on Saturday December 17, 2022 @06:24AM (#34026877)
I don't think the point was that "corporate records and correspondence can be made public", but "corporate records and correspondence that do not reflect the full picture and that are cherry-picked to make the company look bad while the company was not bad can be made public while the rest of the picture can be kept not public".
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by dmak on Saturday December 17, 2022 @08:20AM (#34027521)
Key phrase was "hostile intent".
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by briandear on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:23PM (#34024625)
Or the risk of getting caught committing perjury when you tell Congress your company wasn’t doing a thing it was doing. And as far as “best job they could?” That’s a joke. https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/twitter-declined-to-remove-s...

They banned Babylon Bee for literal satire but they knowingly allowed child sexual exploitation. They censor the Hunter Biden story and now “journalists” are mad when they get censored for doxing. Taylor Lorenz can dox Libs of TikTok with zero consequences — and yet Twitter was doing “the best job they could in difficult circumstances?”

Their priorities were so blatantly partisan. They blatantly ignored people calling for assassination of Supreme Court justices and ignored child exploitation but they found the time to censor conservative journalists and activists with profound regularity and intention. They even coordinated with the Katie Hobbs campaign to remove tweets at her request in her capacity as Secretary of State for Arizona.

Why would anyone defend this?

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by nickthegreek on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:25PM (#34024643)
Why do people keep saying they knowingly allowed child exploitation. Do I need to be deep in the qanon to get this reference or something?
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by abigail95 on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:33PM (#34024694)
They can't/don't want to monetize the pornography on their website because some of it is abuse material.

Normal people think it's not enough to not profit from it - you need to try very hard to remove it.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by jacquesm on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:36PM (#34024708)
They do remove it. I've reported illegal pornography on Twitter several times and they removed it faster than any other kind of abuse report I made there. And it's not like I went out to look for it, if you're on Twitter long enough you will end up with DMs from the weirdest people.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by themitigating on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:30PM (#34024674)
Another lie that is said so often that they think it's true.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by theonething on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:52PM (#34024838)
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by themitigating on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:39PM (#34030095)
Are the unwilling or unable? These stories don't show executives don't care or are encouraging it.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by theonething on Saturday December 17, 2022 @09:11PM (#34034402)
The story is saying they are not even trying. That seems to show they don't care and/or they have other priorities like trying to make a buck off porn.
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by themitigating on Sunday December 18, 2022 @12:50PM (#34040173)
Who is making the assessment that they aren't trying hard enough? And "seems like" isn't evidence
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by theonething on Monday December 19, 2022 @12:43AM (#34048916)
The employees and the internal working group that reported on the state of Twitter's ability to shutdown exploitive content and made recommendations that weren't followed through on.

> Employees say that Twitter’s executives know about the problem, but the company has repeatedly failed to act.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by theonething on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:51PM (#34024832)
> Internal documents and Twitter employees reveal the need for massive investment to remove illegal content — but executives haven’t listened

> Twitter still has a problem with content that sexually exploits children. Executives are apparently well-informed about the issue, and the company is doing little to fix it.

https://www.theverge.com/23327809/twitter-onlyfans-child-sex...

https://nypost.com/2021/01/21/twitter-sued-for-allegedly-ref...

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by nickthegreek on Saturday December 17, 2022 @12:11AM (#34024957)
Appreciate the verge link. The post link doesn’t really bring new info to the conversation until the trial.

It doesn’t seem like there are good answers on how to resolve this issue sadly. I wish there was more transparency on how much these social media giants are spending on this issue, how much is removed per year and average time the content was accessible. It’s hard to judge on the outside the size and scope of this problem and the resources being thrown at it. And that doesn’t even get into the psychological issues that this has to do for the reviewers. This is truly some of the darkest stuff that humanity has and scale makes it hard to resolve.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by theonething on Tuesday December 20, 2022 @12:59PM (#34069615)
> It doesn’t seem like there are good answers on how to resolve this issue sadly.

Actually, the article highlights the internal working group of 84 employees that spent months evaluating Twitter's ability to suppress this exploitive material , concluding that Twitter had major problems in this area and submitting a list of recommendations to fix them that were mostly ignored.

> Aside from enabling in-app reporting of CSE, there appears to have been little progress on the group’s other recommendations.

> Employees say that Twitter’s executives know about the problem, but the company has repeatedly failed to act.

Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by cratermoon on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:42PM (#34024763)
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by ekianjo on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:46PM (#34024798)
If your company was hostile to democracy in the first place its hardly hostile intent to bring transparency
Re:The Twitter Files, Part Six by RetpolineDrama on Friday December 16, 2022 @11:52PM (#34024836)
>The Twitter stuff that's come out now has been pretty uninteresting, surprising and often basically telling a story of people doing the best job they could in difficult circumstances.

Uh, what? The documents so far have confirmed an actively hostile cadre of idiots serving at the behest of the government decided what you could/could not say in the public square.

I'm sure reddit, facebook, and others are full of these same types. Reddit is absolutely complicit.