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Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by mywittyname on Friday December 16, 2022 @03:30PM (#34019890)
At some point, I think governments are going to need to break down and start taxing revenue instead of profits.

A 3% tax on total revenue is the same as a 15% tax on the profits of a product with 20% profit margins.

Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by nickff on Friday December 16, 2022 @03:40PM (#34020037)
This would benefit large and established companies with stable margins, while penalizing smaller businesses and startups. I don’t think this is the intended result.

It also discourages long-term investments, and further rewards short-termism (which everyone seems to dislike).

Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by ClumsyPilot on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:01PM (#34020306)
you can apply a rule only to companies with over 10 billion in revenue
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by twoodfin on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:27PM (#34024216)
And now you have companies inefficiently splitting themselves up into <$10B chunks, and paying lawyers and accountants lots of dead-weight costs to ensure their degree of coordination (think “Amazon West Virginia Ltd.”) doesn’t cross some ill-defined legislative or judicial threshold.
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by jandrewrogers on Friday December 16, 2022 @03:52PM (#34020191)
Taxing revenue has turned out to be a terrible idea every time it has been tried. It creates perverse incentives that encourage companies to be inefficient and wasteful.

One of the biggest policy problems with revenue taxes is that the effective tax rate is much higher on smaller companies than larger companies. A large vertically integrated company like Apple would pay a lower effective tax rate on an iPhone than any of their competitors, giving them a natural advantage. These are pretty dis-economic policy outcomes and the main reason no one seriously considers revenue taxes.

Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by r00fus on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:13PM (#34020476)
Quite the opposite. You can't fake revenue nearly as much as you can fake profits. Examples are legion - look at any company in the US that pays 0% (or negative) corporate tax rate.
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by jandrewrogers on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:59PM (#34021079)
You are not understanding the issue. Revenue can be trivially made to disappear, and this is what actually happens when governments tax revenue.

Revenue is recognized as the size of a sales transaction. The number of sales transactions required to build and sell a given product can vary enormously based on the structure of the business, usually as a product of optimizing for efficiency and specialization. When you tax revenue, businesses have a large incentive to restructure their business to optimize for minimizing the number of sales transactions in the course of building the product, because revenue taxes essentially compound as a function of the number of transactions which is then a cost of business. The compounding is why revenue taxes are so low, usually around 1%. Being tax efficient lowers your costs more than being business efficient, leading to bloated and non-competitive companies.

I've operated a business under one of the few revenue tax regimes. The perverse incentives to verticalize the business structure are very real. Revenue taxes add up quickly.

Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by CHY872 on Saturday December 17, 2022 @09:18AM (#34027942)
To make sure I understand your point, is the argument that without a revenue tax, you're incentivised to sell as much of your stuff as possible, whereas with a revenue tax you're incentivised to maximise your margin, and this makes things inefficient for everyone downstream of you?
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by im3w1l on Friday December 16, 2022 @05:24PM (#34021406)
What about only taxing B2C revenue? Then the degree of vertical integration wouldn't matter.
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by twoodfin on Friday December 16, 2022 @10:22PM (#34024173)
It’s much easier to do that with something called a sales tax!
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by bpye on Saturday December 17, 2022 @03:49AM (#34026064)
Isn't that more a value added tax, rather than a straight sales tax? Similar, but not identical.
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by twoodfin on Monday December 19, 2022 @09:00PM (#34060613)
VATs operate at every stage of the supply chain. A sales tax is only applied at the point of consumption.
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by bpye on Friday December 23, 2022 @04:59PM (#34111069)
That's kind of my point though - it ends up being charged on the 'value add' at each stage, so the vertical integration doesn't matter. X % of the final cost should still be VAT.
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by rr888 on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:30PM (#34020709)
Its one of the reasons Value Added taxes are popular everywhere. (except USA)
Re:EU adopts global minimum 15% tax on big business by dantheman on Saturday December 17, 2022 @01:14AM (#34025330)
I wouldn't say they're popular ... BA-DUM TSH!

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