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Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by jacquesm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:08PM (#34006515)
That may be so, but religion seems to go out of its way to embed itself in the psyche of its subjects to the point that they experience severe identity crisis when trying to break free of it.

There are other groups that employ the same mechanisms.

Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by notch565b on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:15PM (#34006569)
Generally agree, although it seems religion is a difficult thing to classify.

To me it seems religious to think that trans people don't suffer from some form of mental illness, thus it would be a religious viewpoint to think trans is a healthy behavior. It seems maladaptive from an evolutionary basis, although of course these persons should not be disparaged or treated poorly because of that.

Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by true_religion on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:37PM (#34006794)
Rather than maladaptive, I’d characterize being trans and in the early stages of the journey to be painful emotionally and physically.

Merely having to look in the mirror and think constantly “this is not who I should be” is damaging. That’s why people deserve sympathy and aid from society.

When people say it’s maladaptive and characterize it as psychological disorder they are falling into the trap of believing that mental anguish must always have a mental solution. Thus they would prescribe therapy, drugs, and asylums.

On the converse, it is much easier in reality to change physical gender than it is to change one’s mind.

Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by jacquesm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:36PM (#34006783)
The times when we had to run and hide from tigers, when men were real men and women were left behind in the compound to rear the children is long behind us. And the simple fact is that even then there were gay and trans people, they just weren't recognized as such and ended up having problems to fit in.
Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by notch565b on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:48PM (#34006893)
My thesis has never been gay/trans people are better/worse at fighting tigers or tending children.
Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by SamoyedFurFluff on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:21PM (#34006644)
Idk what maladaptive from an evolutionary basis means, dude. We’re not beholden to survival of the fittest anymore. We got glasses, bro. We do shit like microdosing, keto, and cryo therapy.

If someone wants to take estrogen and call themselves Jessica, why should I give a shit any more than when some gym rat (therefore on artificial testosterone) wants me to call him Jake instead of Jacob?

I don’t think there’s any religion in this, just good ol fashioned icky feelings about things that aren’t really a problem, they’re just icky feeling.

Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by notch565b on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:35PM (#34006779)
I don't give a shit in the sense I care about stopping them from expressing themselves but at the same time it can be helpful to recognize the situation. I have family members with depression. If you just don't give a shit about a loved one's particularly, often maladaptive, mental space then it can be difficult to make sure they have support and environment they need to thrive.

Trans people are at high risk for suicide, and based on my exposure to other persons at high risk of suicide I understand these maladaptive mental processes demand a certain amount of respect. I don't think just ignoring differences in mental state is a great solution.

Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by jacquesm on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:37PM (#34006788)
You are mixing cause and effect with abandon.
Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by howinteresting on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:55PM (#34006972)
Your understanding does not match the scientific evidence. One of the reasons being trans is not a mental illness is that cis people experience gender dysphoria all the time as well, like cis men when they're called girls, cis women with facial hair, or the revulsion many cis people experience when they even so much as think about the idea of taking hormones that don't align with their gender. To the extent that this is a "mental illness", the vast majority of people have it.
Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by gynpl on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:40PM (#34007437)
This is same low quality of reasoning as that daft research paper that tried to claim that most cis woman are autogynephiles.
Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by notch565b on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:35PM (#34007377)
I don't think the discomfort a typical cis man feels from say some locker room teasing about being a girl in any way compares to the mental struggles a trans person experiences. It seems weird (and minimizing the hardships of trans persons) to put that in the same bucket.
Re:Wendy Carlos: The brilliant but lonely life of an electro... by SamoyedFurFluff on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:00PM (#34007028)
Idk what you’re talking about… I don’t look at depressed people like some evolutionary whatever whatever lol

If they want therapy I can pay for the therapy, if they want me to call them depresso mcfesso I can do that too idc. There’s no reason to be all high minded about stuff like this, man