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Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by blub on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:33PM (#34006072)
I’ve been watching the vaccine discussions on HN these years and one can see that too many people are stuck fighting vaccination windmills from days gone by, while downplaying vaccine risks which by now are established and continue to be investigated as this publication shows.

Meanwhile many EU countries have understood that heart problems are a real risk and have adjusted recommendations accordingly. They’ve also stopped obsessing about vaccinating people.

The vaccination crusade’s dead folks, please stand by for the next pandemic.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by failuser on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:55PM (#34006365)
So you argue that you should increase the risk of death or disability by COVID by not vaccinating. Got it.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by throw4659261 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:14PM (#34006564)
Pfizer really has you in the palm of their hand lmao
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by meindnoch on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:34PM (#34006767)
It’s the paradox of intelligence: smart people are more prone to fight tooth and nail, and do all kinds of mental gymnastics, rather than to admit that they too have been misled. People of average or below average intelligence tend to accept it much more easily.

I don’t know if there’s already a name for this phenomenon…

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by marvin on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:53PM (#34006956)
Would love to see the incidence of this by IQ. My intuition says it spikes in slightly smarter-than-average folks.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by chromatin on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:36PM (#34007896)
This is the so-called "midwit" meme.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/iq-bell-curve-midwit

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by api on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:17PM (#34007190)
In my experience smart people are also far more likely to create elaborate self-reinforcing systems of belief that are detached from reality.

Any moron can understand the idea of a round Earth and stuff orbiting around it. It takes a genius to comprehend the sublime intricacies of ether vortex theory which explains how a flat Earth can still permit satellites to stay airborne over the plane.

I've met an extremely intelligent person who was convinced we never landed on the Moon and that Stanley Kubrick faked the whole thing and left clues to this in his production of The Shining. I've also met one who thinks the Nazis invented anti-gravity and are hiding the technology to this day in underground bases in Antarctica and South America.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by mancerayder on Thursday December 15, 2022 @07:19PM (#34007761)
That sounds a lot more like creativity than capacity to reason logically, or a number of other facets of intelligence. That's probably part of the issue, which properties of 'intelligence' we are talking about.

There are also a lot of crazy and intelligent people. I certainly know so many, it almost becomes a correlation.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by lsllc on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:17PM (#34008249)
Actually, the Nazi's hid on the moon wit their anti-gravity tech:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0

(which is an entertaining movie if you haven't seen it).

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by rnd0 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:43PM (#34008490)
Were they convinced, or are you convinced that they were convinced? The Kubrick thing is an old joke (which usually ends by saying he insisted on filming "on location" for the sake of authenticity)
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by api on Friday December 16, 2022 @08:04AM (#34014084)
They were convinced.
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by rnd0 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @08:41PM (#34008471)
I don't either. Personally speaking, after watching the effects of disinformation campaigns over the last 7 or so years -particularly regarding Covid and vaccinations I am pretty much 1,000% unwilling to listen to any "skepticism" simply because I don't trust the source that anyone is getting their information from.

The only reasonable course I can see is to not take any chances and vaccinate early and vaccinate often.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by smeej on Thursday December 15, 2022 @09:09PM (#34008721)
Why would you trust the source on the side that's telling you something new, but not the side that's skeptical of it?
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by majormajor on Thursday December 15, 2022 @11:28PM (#34010215)
"Misled" is a stupid word for "we constantly learn more and should be adapting our positions."

There is zero evidence for a "haha i told you you were being misled" position. You are performing either foolish or disingenuous logical gymnastics to equate something like "adjusted recommendations accordingly" with "it was intentionally misleading the whole time."

Show me a place where people haven't adjusted their behavior as the virus has evolved, more time has passed creating more data, vaccination rounds have been administered, death rates have evolved, and exposure/infection has happened. It ain't here in liberal California, so is there any such strawman place you're arguing against in the US? Go out on the street and look around and observe that people are being rational and adapting over time instead of keeping up your silly little "haha i'm smarter than you you fell for a hoax" keyboard battle.