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Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by chedca21 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:21PM (#34004273)
The vaccines confer an antibody response, which isn't all that important in terms of combating disease: "Antibodies that offer protection'? Let’s pause right here. When was it ever proven that antibodies offer protection? In fact, the opposite has been observed. Don’t we remember another prominent scientist (and a Nobel Prize winner in 1960) Sir Frank Macfarlane Burnet telling us the following regarding the role of antibodies (or rather lack thereof) for immunity in children who lacked antibody production due to a genetic condition called agammaglobulinemia:

“To everyone’s surprise [children with agammaglobulinemia] showed a normal measles course with a typical rash which faded at the normal time and was followed by just as substantial immunity against reinfection as would be shown by any other convalescent. Antibody production is therefore not necessary either for recovery from or for the development of immunity to measles.” (Burnet and White. Natural History of Infectious Disease. Cambridge University Press, 1940) "

https://www.tetyanaobukhanych.com/blog/should-you-be-afraid-...

FDA could have used T-cell expression as a standard of efficacy but chose not to despite knowing antibodies were being over sold as hallmarks of immunity.

Tetyana Obukhanych is a doctor of immunology from Rockefeller NYU. Pharma companies spun up multiple "blogs" to smear her when she started speaking out.

Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by Narretz on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:31PM (#34004438)
If what you are saying is true, then the whole mechanism of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humoral_immunity is not working. So the human body maintains a complete system that produces useless antibodies?
Re:Autopsy-based characterization of myocarditis after anti-... by manwe150 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:48PM (#34004662)
What he is saying is not true. The large vaccine trials have always been about testing the effectiveness at combating disease directly (measuring rates of reported illness or hospitalization), with antibody titers used as a quick secondary check. His comment assumes the reverse happened. We still know surprisingly little about how long antibodies are measurable in the blood and for how long and how effective they are at what prevalence rate, etc.