Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employees internationally?

Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by ghgr on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:22AM (#33997099)

> - Lack of legal presence. Having no legal entity in the country you're hiring in is a non sequitur, and setting up a legal entity per-country-per-hire is not scalable (beyond setting up the entity itself, you need to be aware of local labour laws, your tax obligations, insurance, etc.) I think Deel (https://www.deel.com/) has already solved this.

Just to add that Deel costs are from $599 per contract / month, so I wouldn't say that this problem is solved, especially for a startup trying to hire abroad.

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by lars_francke on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:38AM (#33997218)

We've "dealt" with "Deel" and I agree, it's definitely not solved. From high prices to unresponsiveness to missing answers to specific questions etc. (we evaluated a bunch of providers but that was over a year ago so I forgot the specifics)

Also, it's different for employees if you're not employed with your "real" company.

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by Alexbouaziz1 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:01AM (#33997380)

Sorry you felt our responsiveness wasn't there then! We've scaled quite a bit, happy to show you how much progress we've made since last year if you ever need. I'm at [email protected]

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by bagels on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:26AM (#33997124)

It's from $50/month for contractors, and from $599/mo for employees.

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by mathverse on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:33AM (#33997185)

Does Deel maintain a legal entity in every country or they subcontract to other legal entities there?

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by half0wl on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:44AM (#33997256)

I believe they maintain a legal entity in countries they're operating in.

I was a "Deel employee" and they operated through the same name.

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by Alexbouaziz1 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @05:00AM (#33997373)

Yep! We've spent the better part of the last 2 years building out the infrastructure and all key stakeholders in house in every country(Lawyers, Payroll, Accounting) and have entities in most places now. We still work with partners in China but hopefully we'll have the full legal set up and licenses there soon!

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by mathverse on Thursday December 15, 2022 @06:58AM (#33998185)

I am currently employed through nhglobalhorizons but they have subcontracted the legal entity in my country to a different company.

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by Alexbouaziz1 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @10:20AM (#34000835)

Let's change this and get you on Deel!

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by chadk on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:45AM (#33997260)

We use Deel and have employees and contractors in 9 timezones. We are a fully distributed team of 23 people. Deel has been a lifesaver in terms of abstracting away a lot of the compliance and payroll issues. I am a huge proponent.

Deel owns most of its entities in its 150+ countries (it used to be less, but they have built out there network a lot in the past year or so).

$599 is not a bad rate, considering all of the overhead to setting up an entity, benefits, and hiring a regional manager than can deal with all the local stuff. You have to get to a good 15-20 people in a specific country before it makes sense to switch to your own entity.

EDIT: One thing that Deel does _not_ solve is visa sponsorships. They only do this very rarely AFAIK.

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Re:Ask HN: What prevents a company from hiring remote employ... by Alexbouaziz1 on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:58AM (#33997366)

Thanks so much for the shout out! We actually do visa sponsorships now in over 30 countries if you ever need it, ping me.

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