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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by eyelidlessness on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:48AM (#33995758)
Dying from abuse is horrible of course, but most abused people suffer it and its trauma, live some time longer with its effects, and experience being broken in ways they come to understand by being broken in ways they could cope with until they cannot anymore. Before we even talk about the risk of cops, in domestic abuse scenarios, it’s impossible to talk about any of this meaningfully if we’re using death as the criteria.

Once that’s established though… cops are disproportionately domestic abusers. People who live with cops are disproportionately abused. People who encounter cops are confronted with people who are disproportionately abusive in the privacy of their own home with the benefit of doubt of most of society and almost all legal mechanisms.

Your odds of being abused by cops are much greater than by any other person you meet outside your own community, and those odds increase as your odds of being abused by anyone else do too. And as those odds increase, so too do your odds that an otherwise gentle cop won’t do a thing about anyone else who abuses you. Those odds are correlated to the cop relating more to the abuser than their victim.

I’m more likely to die of heart failure but that doesn’t mean I trust the guy who probably beats his wife and probably won’t shoot me. And as I mentioned in another comment, that distrust goes so far as I will not under any condition allow a cop in my pup’s presence if I have a choice. See, they do actually shoot dogs, a lot.

Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by genewitch on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:33AM (#33996385)
the kicker on the police abuse stats is that the study that everyone links was self-reported. 40% of active duty cops who were asked if they ever abused their partners said "yep".

I've embellished or lied to survey takers a couple times, mostly to protect my anonymity or because i forgot something. I assume they try to correct for "self-reporting" in statistics.

but 40% of active law enforcement had no problem saying "yep i beat my partner".

Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by eyelidlessness on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:40AM (#33996428)
I have bad news as someone who grew up with a lot of domestic abuse: lots of abusers think they’re in the right and don’t have any sense of shame. They probably feel well protected by all these people making absolutely every possible excuse for them imaginable.
Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by eyelidlessness on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:45AM (#33996456)
I mean fuck I just did it without meaning to. I literally just confronted my own dad for being abusive 6 months ago and he still speaks to me as if I get where his anger and overreaction comes from, even though I never have and my only remaining emotional bond with him is that I remember him being kind and tender and sincere when no one else was.