Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see something, do something

Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by UtopiaPunk on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:39AM (#33995693)

You check up on people close to you. If the situation at home is deteriorating, it's very valuable for someone to have a way to keep their kids safe. It can be as simple as telling their kids to go to the friend's house when they get off the school bus.

Also, CHOP was chill. I got cookies, browsed the free library, and hung out in the park. Protesters watched the barricades and wouldn't let police in, but ambulances could come in if someone needed health services. I didn't live there, but I felt safe when I visited. It was very different on the ground than what was reported on the news.

If you hated the ideas of CHOP, it looked like hell on Earth. If you found the ideas attractive, it was a brief grasp at something bold and beautiful. A word that describes both is "anarchy."

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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by ALittleLight on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:46AM (#33995734)

Again, there were nightly shootings. I went there personally for about thirty minutes and witnessed a girl screaming at a man that he had raped her. Interestingly, nobody among the anarchists did anything. The people at CHOP literally murdered a teenage kid because he was driving while black - describing this as a "brief grasp at something bold and beautiful" is... not apt.

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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by genewitch on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:38AM (#33996411)

I'm sorry, are there not nightly shootings in the areas where this occurred anyhow? Not everyone was participating, perhaps drawing conclusions based on partial evidence isn't warranted here.

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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by ALittleLight on Thursday December 15, 2022 @02:58AM (#33996530)

No, there are definitely not nightly shootings in Capitol Hill. And all of the shootings that happened during CHAZ were related to the protesters and anarchists. The conclusions I made above aren't being drawn, they are well established and undisputed facts. The zone lasted nine days, there four nights of shooting and two dead plus a few wounded.

The CHAZ protesters were violent. They vandalized the area with graffiti and left lots of litter. They killed innocent people. They occupied a few city blocks, where people lived, forced businesses to shut down and turned it into this noisy, dirty, dangerous block party for a week or so.

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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by genewitch on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:27PM (#34002806)

https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/

I am unclear what is meant by "capitol hill", is this a region of Seattle? the violent crime rate is 128% of the national average, if so. I really don't want to have to pull police blotters to find out the ratio of "gunshot free nights" to "gunshot nights", just to find out it's 41% instead of 48% per your claim.

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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by genewitch on Thursday December 15, 2022 @12:47PM (#34003059)

https://www.areavibes.com/seattle-wa/capitol+hill/crime/

okay!

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Re:Things to do Instead of Calling the Cops: If you see some... by ALittleLight on Thursday December 15, 2022 @01:54PM (#34003928)

This shows an "NA" for every crime stat, including murder, in Capitol Hill.

If the estimates on this page are right, Capitol Hill has 3x national average, and national average is 6 murders per 100k. So this is estimating Capitol Hill has 20 murders per 100k per year. If you assume that all 32k people in the neighborhood were in CHAZ then to get a per 100k rate we would say 2 / 32 to get murders per thousand, multiply by 100 to get murders per 100k, then multiply by 35.6 to convert the ten days of CHAZ to a year, and we get an estimated murder rate of 223 per 100k, or 37x the murder rate estimate for Capitol Hill from this website. And, of course, not nearly all 32k people were in CHAZ. And, of course, the four separate shooting events within 10 days lends credence to the notion that CHAZ was extraordinarily violent.

Or, practically speaking, if you live in Seattle, then you just know that shootings don't happen in Capitol Hill every night, because you hear about them when they do happen.

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