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Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by cipheredStones on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:46PM (#33991849)
> The modern Level 2 car is already today at below 1 fatality per billion vehicle miles travelled (VMT)

Does this statistic count fatalities to people outside the car? I ask because (in the US, at least) car safety ratings don't take those into consideration.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by rootusrootus on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:52PM (#33991921)
> in the US, at least) car safety ratings don't take those into consideration

Which ratings? The NHTSA does include non-occupant fatalities in their statistics. E.g. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2020-traffic-crash-data...

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by cipheredStones on Friday December 16, 2022 @04:40PM (#34020827)
NHTSA safety ratings (https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings) only count people in the car. It looks like they proposed a change to that this spring (https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/five-star-safety-rating...), but I don't think they've implemented it yet. From that press release:

> For the first time ever, [the proposed rating program] includes technology recommendations not only for drivers and passengers but for road users outside the vehicle, like pedestrians.

News story on this: https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/3/22960262/nhtsa-ncap-five-s...