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Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by just-ok on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @04:12PM (#33990646)
I agree with you entirely.

Continuing with your hypothetical, even though we’d be 90% safer as a collective, the safety of the individual feels compromised: the risk of an accident is non-uniform when involving humans (depending on e.g. age, experience, safety, alertness, etc.), but becomes uniform (or at least more uniform) with an algorithm in charge.

That’s a tough thing for people to buy into.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by _cs2017_ on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:31PM (#33991629)
A very good observation. Based on your comment, I think we can relax the requirement stated by OP by saying:

"Until Waymo's cars reduce any individual's chance of an accident."

So for example, suppose a Waymo car is better than humans overall, but tends to do worse than humans when there's a small bump on the road. And suppose that all humans (in a given regulator's area, e.g., California) tend to encounter such bumps at roughly the same rate (per mile driven) over their lifetime. In that case, it's probably going to be acceptable, since every individual is better off.

I don't know, maybe this is not impactful / obvious enough for people to care about?

What certainly is obvious is that the safest drivers are much safer than an average driver (does anyone know of a study that estimates this ratio?). Therefore, at the very least, the threshold for Waymo should be not the average accident rate, but the accident rate for the safest drivers.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by jsbg on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @05:37PM (#33991721)
> the safety of the individual feels compromised

Exactly. I have had zero accidents in 20 years; I'm not interested in a car that will lower the overall accident rate if it increases mine.

Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by mertd on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @09:25PM (#33994287)
Even the most perfect defensive driving won't fully mitigate the unsafe driving of others though. I'd rather have them to be in autonomous vehicles.
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by xboxnolifes on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:24PM (#33994749)
Sure, but nobody thinks they are the bad drivers.
Re:Waymo's collision avoidance testing by jjav on Thursday December 15, 2022 @04:35AM (#33997199)
> I'd rather have them to be in autonomous vehicles.

Who is "them" and who allocates the groups?

We can't even get any kind of car control skill testing or training to be part of a driver license issuance.