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Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @10:47AM (#33985120)
Bankruptcy would be really bad for Musk in this case - his creditors will get 10s of billions worth of Tesla shares as collateral.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by rootusrootus on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:03AM (#33985424)
I have no idea how this works. Did he pledge a particular number of shares, or was it a dollar amount? I.e. if he had to pay up, would it be based on the current value of TSLA, or the value at the time he put them up as collateral?

It could get ugly indeed. Tesla's brand image is slipping, and everything points to that just getting worse. Between Elon as the face of the company, and their seeming inability to deliver a competitive product now that everyone else has started making EVs... well, I wouldn't buy any TSLA for sure. You buy a Tesla now for the supercharger network, everything else is a compromise. That's a shaky place to be.

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:29AM (#33985849)
https://archive.ph/JhTuM

Musk put up $22.4B of his own money to buy Twitter, plus another $4B he already had invested.

Maybe Twitter was worthless when Musk bought it, and that $26.4B was - theoretically - already burnt in the deal. If you pay $26.4B to buy garbage, you lost $26.4B from the start...

Assuming Twitter is not worthless, Musk loses whatever percentage of that $26.4B actually has value. Worst case, that's probably at least 20% - which is still $5.28B.

He'll also still be on the hook for $13B in personal debt financing to banks. Unless Musk himself can claim to be bankrupt, he owes them $13B - and they're going to get it one way or the other.

Further, another $7B of equity investments came from questionable investors like Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal. Who knows what they're going to do if Musk purposefully runs the company into the ground and burns billions of their money...

There's a lot of reasons why Musk can't just say oops, claim bankruptcy and leave everyone else holding the bag.

It's almost as if all the other investors aren't morons...

Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by Eji1700 on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:47AM (#33986137)
Yeah I really think the banks backed this deal with the intention of carving up Musk because of the way he financed this. I don’t know enough about the subject to be confident but I wouldn’t be shocked if he loses control of Tesla in the long run because of this
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by eeyan on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @11:33AM (#33985905)
Not necessarily - bankruptcy is not the same as defaulting. Bankruptcy, or threatening it, would be an effort to prevent default and instead renegotiate the existing debt, likely with lenders taking a signficant haircut.
Re:ElonJet Is Now Suspended by onlyrealcuzzo on Wednesday December 14, 2022 @12:55PM (#33987098)
They're not going to take a haircut when Musk personally secured the loans...